Climate protesters at Mansion House

Devorgrilla

Accepted.

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Out of interest when I have a personal post that doesn't sit kindly toward me I prefer to let that/those posts stay on display rather than report them. I consider reporting them to GN and their subsequent deletion as ' enabling ' bad behaviour as the perpetrator simply get's away with making their barbed comment and the offended has to accept what was said with no redress.

POGS, it wasn't a post from you. I have send you a PM.

Devorgrilla

'As to your post being deleted I PM-ed Gonegirl and understand why she asked for it to be removed and agree with her reason.'
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What post?

Please respond.

oldgimmer1 Although there are exceptions, it is unusual for the average woman to have the strength to physically overpower the average man.

An article in Psychology Today states:

"Men are physically stronger than women, who have, on average, less total muscle mass, both in absolute terms and relative to total body mass. The greater muscle mass of men is the result of testosterone-induced muscular hypertrophy. Men also have denser, stronger bones, tendons, and ligaments."

I think most women who see themselves as feminists do not argue that they are physically exactly the same as men. I don't see why strength should be seen to equal superiority, and a man who is prepared to use his greater strength to manhandle and overpower a woman is, in my opinion, not a very worthy person.

In society as a whole many females will have experienced being passed over in favour of a male despite greater qualifications and experience and gone to court and had this verified. Some women will have lost their lives because the men in their lives believed they had a right to control them. Some of these will have been documented through the courts. Easy to look up I'm sure if you have time. All examples of different aspects and there are others.
I would suggest you start a new conversation on this. You are more likely to have a proper discussion that way rather than tagging it on at the end of an existing thread which I believe most posters have now moved on from.

Devorgilla. Like many of the supporters of remaining in EU who quote "evidence" that Brexit would be disastrous for the UK while ignoring "evidence" that we will be fine and more free to diversify our trade arrangements globally, you refer to "growing mysogyny"
Perhaps you could supply some "evidence"

Why the angst about the protester being a woman?

I thought we fought hard for equal treatment ie to be treated the same as men?

We can't have the penny and the bun, can we?

Pogs, apart from this protester weaving her way between his table and the next one and her being apprehended by him and frogmarched right out of the room I am not aware of any other footage of this particular protester which is the one this thread has been about. Perhaps you could point me towards that on the site where you saw more extended footage. I have no issue with her being escorted out of the room and off the premises. It is the manner in which it was carried out, and the continued aggression with which she was frogmarched out that I find very disturbing. A jury looking just at the footage where he gets out of his chair and the manner in which he removes her is where the argument of assault or not would lie in court.
impartial and educated, as we were dealing with a woman here that is what I concentrated on. There is a growing misogyny in society today which we have, continually, to battle against. As to your post being deleted I PM-ed Gonegirl and understand why she asked for it to be removed and agree with her reason.

Devorgilla I note your response pertaining to hang ups. You say that you would be equally offended irrespective of gender. However my democratically deleted offering was in response to your post which clearly states "the advice seems to be if you are a WOMAN.......

Devorgrilla

"If we were the jury watching this is court and being directed by the Judge to go only on the facts what would we see?"
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There was visual recording showing more than you describe so I would hope as I previously mentioned due diligence will be done over this matter.

Gone girl

' So, is no-one to be allowed to be within a stone's throw of any politician from now on, in case they are going to cause physical harm? "
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She was an activist heading to the Top Table at speed within a stones throw of her target.

I think when Corbyn was egged or Farage had a milkshake thrown at them they too found their security somewhat lacking.

Our politicians have been warned to be diligent as the hostile environment they have to handle quite rightly gives them the right to act if they feel something is out of the ordinary and an activist with a bag and obviously showing a determination to get to her target is a classic example.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 22-Jun-19 11:35:39

"pogs than you don’t know your history of the suffrage movement. You would have example after example if quite violent protest to chide and your bigoted attitude might have ensured that we didn’t get the vote.

As I have previously posted.

Those who are criticising the democratic protest movement of the Green movement are both bigoted and backward looking, especially as this is a subject that is such an emergency."
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You called me ' bigoted ' 2 times but that is something I have learnt to expect from you WW and I cannot be expected to not respond.

Definition of a ' bigot ' is ' A person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions. ' and I have not shown intolerance or gone down the root of being personal maybe you should rethink who is being intolerant.

No, perhaps not on this thread, but certainly on others under the heading of News & Politics without having to resort to "reporting"! Compared to some comments it really wasn't that bad!!

And he was probably a bit pissed if it had reached the speechifying bit of the dinner.

What, on this thread Jabberwok?

Obviously GNHQ agree as the post has been deleted, just as they delete any personal attack.

FGS Gonegirl, you can't have been on this thread for very long, else you'd realise that people have been subjected to personal attacks, (without being reported,) that are far in a way worse than being told that they have "hang ups" !!! Do get a grip!!

Impartialandeducated Your remark about Devorgilla's "hang-ups" was a personal attack and I have reported your post.

Impartialandeducated, please do not distress yourself about your perceptions of my 'severe hangups'. I would feel equally offended by the way this demonstrator was handled regardless of gender etc.

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I agree Willynilly. he did not need to to grab her neck like that.
I can't understand the defense of a man violently dominating a woman and being seen as a hero!
He could have just stood in front of her or called someone over.
I don't buy that he acted instinctively. Perhaps he was drunk though?

Had he pushed her, righto. Had he blocked her way, fair enough. What disturbs me is the grabbing of the neck. Designed to humiliate and dominate. Any woman here who doesn't cringe at the thought of a man doing this to a female needs to seriously consider their outlook on life.

He was aware of her coming down behind the chairs of the table in front of him before she started down his row. Hardly suddenly realised she was there. If a woman passing by your chair, by her mere presence provokes a reaction, perhaps women should be kept at home. I very much doubt if she wanted slammed into a pillar and frog-marched out by a forceful hand on the back of her neck. I am actually very shocked by the number of people on here and elsewhere think she deserved all she got. The advice seems to be if you are a woman never demonstrate about anything. You might, just by your mere presence, provoke an aggressive reaction.

But a jury would have the benefit of watching a video wouldn't they. They wouldn't have been the man who suddenly realised there was a woman there who shouldn't have been. Who was holding something in her hand that he couldn't necessarily, in a split second know was a 'phone. Who had no idea what may of may not have been in her handbag.

Her mere presence provoked a reaction and judging by the look on her face when she was being escorted out, it was just the reaction she was hoping for.

If we were the jury watching this is court and being directed by the Judge to go only on the facts what would we see?
A women in a red evening dress, walking behind a row of chairs, with her phone in one hand, a stack of leaflets clutched under her left arm and her handbag across her body acting non aggressively.
A man who leaps out of his chair without being provoked by the woman, pushes her hard against a pillar, restrains her and frogmarches her by her neck out of the room.
I know who was the most aggressive and violent in the one I saw.
During her A levels and University years my daughter worked many of these events and said she had never ever seen that degree of violence before at any, and she worked some pretty high profile jobs.

After watching the video this man demonstrates he is violent, I totally disagree about the threat she might have been. She was wearing a sleeveless dress. She was alone. He totally went over the top. People have the right to protest. If that had been my daughter I would have been appalled at his overreaction. If my husband had reacted like that towards someone I would be be very upset with him.