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Corbyn too frail to be PM?

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Urmstongran Sat 29-Jun-19 10:58:01

Or is this just an excuse to get rid of him?

Grandad1943 Sat 29-Jun-19 16:54:10

Just to add to my above post, I feel that for Blair and Brown to decide one evening in an upmarket London restaurant that Blair would lead the Labour Party and then hand on that leadership to Brown, demonstrated total contempt for the membership at that time.

The above also demonstrated how poorly the Grassroots membership was organised at that time in that no attempt was made to prevent that happening, I believe.

The Labour Party/Movement is now a very different structure and that certainly could not happen now.

But of course, the Blairites in the Parliamentary Party still do not accept that fresh democracy.

Anniebach Sat 29-Jun-19 17:00:42

It is not a democracy if votes for leadership are bought

craftyone Sat 29-Jun-19 17:04:39

always been frail looking, weak, in all areas, except his mouth

suziewoozie Sat 29-Jun-19 17:05:57

It is not democracy for civil servants to brief journalists about the supposed physical/mental health of a leader who was elected properly as leader according to the constitution of his party - whether you like him or the rules or not. I’m surprised at how few posters seem to think this matters.

jura2 Sat 29-Jun-19 17:07:12

of course I am interested Trisher- or I would not have asked. Will read it now.

jura2 Sat 29-Jun-19 17:14:23

It is a very long document. Would you be kind enough to highlight the relevant part, please. Thanks.

suziewoozie Sat 29-Jun-19 17:21:24

annodomino - Callaghan was elected leader under the rules at the time ( ballot of MPs).

boat Sat 29-Jun-19 18:42:32

Frail? Doesn't JC run several Km three or four times a week, go to the gym and bomb all over the country campaigning? I wish I had his energy.

I joined the Labour Party to vote for him and am continually grateful that he returned the party to its original values (apart from a sub-group of the PLP).

However I have come to realise that he does not make a good Party Leader and would not make a good PM. Not
because he is gaga but because he is so rooted in his principles that that he cannot see the political value of compromise.

Most Politicians realise the you do not get 100% of what you are aiming for; you move towards it over a period of time if you are lucky.

JC is not really a Politician, he is an activist. At that he has been amazingly successful. I think he should be content with having made his mark and return to the back benches.

MamaCaz Sat 29-Jun-19 19:43:27

IMO, the way things are now, just about any Labour leader who was less left-wing than Corbyn could probably romp home in a general election, so the other parties would be very ill-advised to to persue this particular attack on him right now!

Anniebach Sat 29-Jun-19 19:52:30

True MamaCaz , a left of centre , younger MP with charisma would definitely win an election.

Callistemon Sat 29-Jun-19 20:41:58

I believe that Corbyn would be satisfied to stand down now, leaving as his legacy the reuniting the Labour Party and the broader Labour movement in the country as one identity.
He has a very long way to go then, Grandad
I don't know whether to post shock or grin!!

It has never been so disunited.

Hm999 Sat 29-Jun-19 20:55:41

600k people think he's reunited the Labour party. Personally I think he's reunited with its historical roots of caring about the vulnerable

Anniebach Sat 29-Jun-19 21:07:13

The Labour Party has never been so devided as it has since Corbyn became leader and has never been racist until Corbyn became leader.

kittylester Sat 29-Jun-19 21:48:56

Well said, annie.

Anja Sat 29-Jun-19 22:00:28

Tory propaganda machine desperately scrapping the bottom of the barrel ?

Urmstongran Sat 29-Jun-19 22:07:00

Spot on boat when you say “JC is not really a Politician, he is an activist”

trisher Sat 29-Jun-19 22:11:58

If Corbyn isn't a politician but an activist what the hell is Boris Johnson? A clown, A buffoon, A liar
Add your own idea here......

Grandad1943 Sun 30-Jun-19 00:32:48

I would agree that Jeremy Corbyn is in many of his attributes similar to a grassroots activist. However, in 2015, when he was elected leader that was precisely what the Labour party and the whole Labour movement required, as anything else would have consigned it to oblivion.

Corbyn returned the Labour party to its grassroots activists and in that United once again the Broader affiliate membership in the country into one Labour movement.

Gone are the days when a small number in the executive made all the policy decisions which in the Blair era gave us the beginnings of Zero Hours Contracts, the Gig Economy, the Banking Crisis and the Iraq War.

However, many in the Parliamentary Labour Party have never accepted the wider democracy that the Corbyn leadership has brought about. They instead undermine Corbyn and those changes at every opportunity by way of some Blairite MPs even covertly recording private conversations with Jeremy Corbyn hoping he will make some off guard remark that they can then release to Britain's right-wing press.

In the above, those people seem not to realise that many in the broader Labour movement and many within the Labour parties own Constituency and District parties are now thoroughly disgusted with the above referred to wrecking actions of those Blairite MPs. In that a break with the present parliamentary Labour Party by the broader movement could well be on the cards in the not too distant future should the situation in the parliamentary party not change

In the above, much could well depend on the outcome of the trade union litigation against a number of high profile companies that use Gig Employment in their trading activities. After winning any number stages in the lower courts, those cases are now in the hands of the Supreme Court for final adjudication.

Only Jeremy Corbyn and a few supporting Labour MPs have brought Parliament's attention to the above action while others have "sat on their hands" and remained silent on the matter. However, should the Supreme Court rule in favour of the trades unions that may well lead many of their activists to conclude that they can survive better without continually "dragging along" a Parliamentary Labour Party that continually refuses to support many of their ambitions.

The resignation of Jeremy Corbyn as leader due to age and the winning of the Gig Economy case in the Supreme Court may well trigger changes in the Labour Movement the likes of which have not been seen for well over one hundred years.

And that I would support.

trisher Sun 30-Jun-19 14:23:39

I was just thinking where we would be without the politicians who have also been activists. Many of the men on here wouldn't have the vote, most women wouldn't, equal pay wouldn't exist, a great deal of employment and equality legislation would never have happened. So thank goodness for activists. The people we should really fear are politicians who aren't activists.

Callistemon Sun 30-Jun-19 15:05:10

Whatever happened to Civil Servants being (or at least appearing to be) non-political?
Well, yes!
and who was the one who told the newspapers?

This should not happen.

lemongrove Sun 30-Jun-19 15:08:00

I don’t know how ‘frail’ Corbyn is or not, to be PM, but the more worrying are his Marxist views and cosying up to the likes of Hamas, Maduro , Russia and Iran.
Add to that his less than mighty intellect and reliance on Momentum and the 4M’s.

lemongrove Sun 30-Jun-19 15:11:36

It really shouldn’t happen Callistimon but perhaps the thought of Corbyn in Downing St really seriously worries top civil servants, as nobody like him ( and that isn’t a compliment)has ever presented themselves for PM.

Callistemon Sun 30-Jun-19 15:11:59

^ It is just as lemongrove said, that I have read that Rebecca was being 'groomed' and prepared to take over - and I thought this would not be possible, surely^
I had noticed that she is being wheeled out, presumably when McDonnell is unavailable.

I have always thought that JC was a shoe-in by those who are in real charge of the LP, perhaps to soften everyone up before the real hardliners come to the fore.

Anniebach Sun 30-Jun-19 15:27:02

I don’t think Corbyn is physically weak or in the early stages of dementia, he is so out of his depth as leader so is brought out for a soap box speech but vanishes the rest of the time .

This morning there was Macdonald and McClusky , no
Corbyn

trisher Sun 30-Jun-19 16:06:29

lemon the thought of Corbyn in Downing St really seriously worries top civil servants
The thought of Civil Servants in Whitehall deciding who is qualified to be the leader of a party or PM seriously worries me.