Tommy Robinson

I agree completely with cheneslieges132 and Johno.

By silencing and jailing him the government has perpetrated a horrific injustice. Whatever you think of his ideas, or his tactics, all freedom-loving individuals must condemn perversion of power and allow freedom of speech.

It is important to know all the facts .......'judge not' (saying)
"To reason without data is delusion"

Maw .

Tillybelle, the solicitor in question was spreading the word that the McCann's had been responsible for the death of Madeleine and even had fliers printed to put around their home town of Leicestershire.
The money raised was for a forthcoming court case against the McCanns by Amaral, the PJ who was leading the case in Portugal who was accused of defamation.
A chunk of the money had been given by some of the Met police ! Generally it was money handed over by those online who hated the McCanns.

Shows how thoroughly disgusting some people are who would rather fund crooks than honest citizens.

EllanVannin

Crikey!

and

Crikey!

i guess you can't say who the prisoner is in your comment:
"aimed at a prisoner who's been incarcerated for a crime he didn't commit."
It sounds horrendous! I vaguely remember a Solicitor found guilty of writing a book in which he accused the McCanns of causing the death of their daughter. How wicked can people be? Unless there is absolutely incontrovertible evidence that such a thing happened I cannot begin to understand how anyone can start to say that about parents who have literally lost a child.

Maggiemaybe. And Many More...

A bit behind with my post here but as you are delighted he was found guilty I wondered if you saw this report of the results of his bid in the European Elections?

from The Guardian Mon 27 May

"On a European election night when the Brexit party dominated across the UK, perhaps the most eye-catching story in North West England was the humiliating drubbing suffered by the anti-Islam activist Tommy Robinson.

Having claimed for weeks to be on the crest of an international movement – one that elected Donald Trump in the US – the man whose real name is Stephen Yaxley-Lennon had expected to “walk into Brussels like Connor McGregor” upon his election.
In the end, Robinson won only 2.2% of the vote – losing his £5,000 deposit – and sneaked out of the election count in central Manchester barely an hour after he had arrived. He tried to put a brave face on it, claiming the establishment had “arranged and organised” for him to be banned from social media to scupper his election bid, but it was a resounding defeat for the founder of the English Defence League."

Ironically a large police presence is there to stop those who protest and use violence against TR than the man himself.

Tillybelle, the solicitor in question was given a suspended sentence, though it hasn't stopped his hatred from spilling over as a co-writer of a book aimed at a prisoner who's been incarcerated for a crime he didn't commit.

Gonegirl. Yep! It's certainly very difficult! Complicated. But people usually rationalise what they do. That's why I'm interested in Johno actually telling us the answer as to why the ....(I've forgotten their initials! - Tommy Robinson's lot) got started" or words tte. I just want him to tell us!

Mind you, I asked him something about what he wrote once before and he didn't answer. I was polite. I think he wants to sound clever and mysterious. Oh dear!

Tommy Robinson puts me in mind of the thugs who murdered Stephen Lawrence. I wonder why?

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Tillybelle it's pointless to try to understand hate.

"interesting" should be interested sorry

EllanVannin. I am interested in your comment purely academically absolutely no challenge or personal view, I promise. Is it ok to ask you to elucidate a bit? Sorry, I think my brain is getting old... Was the Solic deliberately chosen because s/he was crooked? Who was trying to damage the McCanns' reputation? Did it work? (I get the impression many/majority of Brits support them and are still very upset by the terrible situation.)

I was asked to look at and research how people understood the information. Nothing emotive and nothing detective-work-ish! It was a good example of how reporting, emotions, and what happened were understood by people from the media cover which was so huge. So I can't stop my interest. I do feel desperately sorry for them because they are so famous now it must be hard to have a family life and go out together.

Johno Still waiting - genuinely interesting in knowing why they started. It might make me understand the huge anger they express.

If he doesn't like the Laws of the UK, he should go somewhere else - he says it often enough

Man's an imbecile. I truly think something is very wrong in his brain.

EllanVannin
That's interesting EV! What a lot of experiences you've had!

I know it is the right of us all to have free speech and to give our views - within the Law, i.e. not being hateful towards any group etc. However, I still get annoyed about the massive expenditure on Policing for Public Safety which is needed whenever there is a Tommy Robinson or any of his Ilk giving their warped views and spouting their rude and ignorant language which is designed to incite hostility and hatred towards others in our country.

Obviously the Police are needed! I do not for a moment deny that! I think it must be horrible to be in the Police at those things too. It's just the huge expense it causes, all because the T Robinsons and Co. are filled with such venom all the time they make people behave so badly that they need Police control.

Members of the public provided £50,000 for a crooked solicitor who was damaging the McCann's reputation so it seems that the bigger the rogue you are the better you're admired by some members of the British public.

Funds will be available for TR from private/anonymous sources.

Why is it that when someone gets a bee in their bonnet they must incite trouble and or riots for their cause ? It's as though their way is the right way and the public must listen to them and nobody else. Protesters and anti's alike.

It's not a democracy when those who have different views aren't permitted to openly express them.

Ruby41. Thanks. The Indy put their money begging thingy across it so I can't read the Independent.

Here's a link to the Guardian

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/05/tommy-robinson-failed-to-check-on-reporting-ban

to save time, here are some quotes explaining his breach of court ^from the Guardian 17:52h Fri 5th July 2019^:

Caldecott added: “We say the answer clearly is that he(TR) made a reckless assumption as to what he might be able to do because it suited him to do so, and the reason it suited him to do so was that his whole objective was to get the defendants’ faces out there.”

He said Robinson had taken a gamble by referring to details in previous reports of the Huddersfield grooming case, which had been published before the reporting ban.

“Mr Yaxley-Lennon (TR) did find the Huddersfield Examiner online and he took a punt that because the names and the charges had been out there earlier, he took a punt on being able to get away with mentioning them to give necessary context to the people he was filming.”

Robinson had broadcast the footage – which was viewed online 250,000 times after being livestreamed on Facebook - on 25 May 2018 A reporting restriction was in place which postponed the publication of any details of the case until the end of a series of linked trials involving 29 people in an attempt to ensure all received a fair trial.

Therefore TR posted his pictures while the Jury was out on a day which was covered by the Court's ban on reporting concerning the Trial. TR knew there was a court restriction on reporting. He was just arrogant in thinking he could get away with it. His aim was to put the faces of the Defendants out into the public arena. He did it while the Jury was still out making their deliberations. The Court had restricted publishing anything on the case at that time. The reason for the ban was that it could be prejudicial to the trial to have information concerning it put out into the public arena.

In the 70's I attended a NF meeting, out of curiosity, with John Tyndall as the speaker and a very good one at that.
It was very interesting and what he had to say/predict has all come into fruition over the years----better than any medium could predict.
My only problem were the followers of that time, some of who were fanatics of the far-right movement which I thought wasn't the way to go and Tyndall himself wouldn't have acted in such a way either and am sure wouldn't have wished for such behaviour either.

Police were inside the building where it was held, on the roof and armed as well and outside on horseback.
More trouble was displayed outside the building with yobs throwing bricks at the police and horses, jeering, spitting etc. Inside was pure silence as everyone listened to what the speaker had to say.

There were near riots when we exited the building.

Johno

I cannot agree with you that TR "is a great man".
However, it helps me learn a bit about where you are coming from.

You are very sure we do not know, so are you going to tell us?
Why was the EDL formed?

Great post, MawBroonsback, couldn't agree more

maw ??

Calm down Cheneslieges - for a start you do not know that those who have commented know nothing about either his offence or our legal system. Indeed it is perfectly obvious that they including blondiescot and others know considerably more than you do.
And please ease off on the shouty capitals, they add nothing to your rant and are too much like Ann Widdecombe in full flow.
As for johno who seems to be back from his hols in N Korea, he might be wise to heed the wise words of Abraham Lincoln who is said to have opined that it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and to remove all doubt.

Link to interesting Independent piece here which seems to me fairly convincing evidence as to why he was found guilty:
www.msn.com/en-gb/news/courts/tommy-robinson-how-close-edl-founder-ca