Who represents the real Tory Party?

I am not sure who 123Coco is replying to in posting, "So truth and honesty and stability in your family and your children knowing you are not going to abandon them are not important then?"

fc61 I’m with you there

Farage has taken millions from Aaron Banks to get Brexit done (why?) . Boris seems to represent his best friend Steve Bannon who writes his speeches. Hunt sold off so much NHS when health minister I’m surprised he has the gall to show his face. Who do they represent ? Not me! The only good thing about Brexit so far is it has exposed the nastiness, greed, corruption, chaos, and self serving interests of our politicians and a total disregard for the UK economic and future stability. I disliked John Major vehemently for his policy during Bosnian war but yesterday I thought bless him He’s the only one to finally speak the truth about Brexit .

Good points in all your posts, Elegran, but I was particularly referring to your first one.

Good point in your final paragraph, Elegran.

I agree that it is difficult to support either of the main parties at the moment, and I speak as a lifelong Labour supporter. I will not be voting for them in the foreseeable future. But then, why should we feel shackled by the two main parties? They have taken our support for granted for too long because we have a first past the post electoral system. May be it is time to make another party one of the 'main' parties - and I certainly don't mean the Brexit Party!

So truth and honesty and stability in your family and your children knowing you are not going to abandon them are not important then. They don’t constitute family values ?? Well I don’t know what does. Your talking about values in society which as the party for the ‘small society ‘ the Tory party can never have .

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I don’t think both parties have moved to their extremes. Labour of course have but not the Tories.

I agree that the Tory party is unreasonable gone too far yo the right. It all started with Thatcher being egged on by Reagan to privatise verything including our NHS to make things easier for America business to make money. In the end t will be just business running the show for their own benefit no polititions needed.

With Labour their are too many Blairites wanting things to stay as they are no real change career polititions. Then there are those who back Corbyn and thousands joined Labour because of Corbyn and what he stands for (the biggest party membership in whole of Europe) politics of change traditional Labour back to its roots as it was first intended as with the Attlee government who brought in massive changes including NHS.

As it stands the media do not want a Corbyn government so we don't get a fair hearing.

On question time,I happened to see a clip on Twitter, a chap in the audience said.Jeremy Corbyn is Labour his voting record (all for the many) and he has in his 35 years in parliament always been on the right side of history we should give him a chance and stop reading what the papers say. Hear Hear.

I agree that family values are more than just fidelity. However, when Tory politicians bang on about them, telling the public to do one thing, whilst doing the other, that is hypocrisy in the extreme.

You are saying the same thing as Whitewave, Saggi - that the current batch of party leaders are a bunch of """"s, worse than the general run, who at least had policies and attitudes which considered the position of the country as a whole unit, whether you agreed with them or not. That is why a lot of people DO care.

Lets face it, we are stuck with a range of opinions and attitudes in Parliament, because they exist in the country as a whole and MPs in a democracy represent ALL sections of the population, so party politics has some place in Government, What is debilitating to good government is when those party politics over-rule decision-making, and that is what we are getting now.

Family values cover more than "just" fidelity 123coco. There are truth and honesty and fairness, and caring for one another through bad times as well as good, educating youngsters and nursing the old and sick, and planning for the future well-being of all the members.

“Who represents the real Tory party”...... shouldn’t the question be “who cares”.... the self-serving lot of wannabe’s. They couldnt give a damn about this country’s future.... just the next few years ‘in power’.... and scoring points of each other. Party politics should go the way of the Dodo.

We've only had television for part of that time, and the internet for a comparatively small proportion of it. The internet in particular has multiplied the importance of mass persuasion.

Yes elegran but we’ve had universal suffrage for almost a century now, and for the vast majority of that time we had statesmen who put country before politics.

When John Major started banging on about family values he was having an affair with Edwina Curry. And let’s not get started on Johnson’s lack of moral compass. Sense of entitlement is just unbelievable. And the red tops really exaggerate about so called ‘marxism’ in the Labour Party. After austerity has failed so miserably ( and Japan warned not to go down this path as it had failed them miserably) we need some of these policies to try to make this country more equal. That’s what makes a country happy (equality life Scandinavia countries) according to lots of research, not GDP!

Whitewave Our parliament has never been so open to the seductive influences of seeking popularity as though they are starring in a TV reality show.

For centuries those elected to govern the country came from the same strata of society, who were not accustomed to seeking the approval of their tenant farmers when they made decisions about their estates. They just used their experience and their training in estate management to run the larger estate that was the country. That training included a sense of responsibility inculcated from generations of landowners looking after their land and those who lived on it, and keeping it in good heart for the future. They were often biased in their judgement, but they were sincere.

The current generation of MPs are career politicians - a different breed entirely. Their decisions are made with one eye (at least) on the polls at the next election, so they support short-term and sometimes flashily populist policies.

I thought that was why we elected them to represent us in this cradle of democracy - for their ability to take wise decisions on our behalf.

elegran I take your point. But don’t forget that our parliament has been run like this for centuries, without such a tragedy as what is happening now.

I am quite serious about the semicircle. The psychological effect of all facing in the same direction might just get them all working in the same direction too, using their various interests, abilities and convictions for the benefit of the whole country.

Since Mrs T's reign, I don't recognise politics/politicians any more. It's as though a bunch of aliens have landed.
I'm done with the lot of them I'm afraid.

Good post Elegran.

This is what many of the people I speak to think. They by no means support the extreme right, but they mourn the days when the conservative party (Tory is a term of abuse used by their detractors) values supported family, tradition and a sound economy. Agree or disagree with the details, but they used to have a positive policy. Now it is all negative.

Family has become "those like us", tradition has become retaining the worst, not the best, of history, and the economy means "being economical in our treatment of those with more needs than our own."

There are no statesmen any more among the leaders of any of our parliamentary ideologies. The main policies of both parties seem to be to do anything they can to undermine the other side or to get personal power. No taking a co-operative course using the best for the whole country of the ideals and researches of both sides.

Perhaps the physical architecture of the HofC contributes - all sitting glaring at each other in rows in two opposing phalanxes, no wonder Joe Public gets mown down in the crossfire. They should refurbish it into a semicircle, with them all facing in approximately the same direction.

Both parties have moved to their extremes .Johnson doesn’t
represent the majority and Corbyn doesn’t represent the majority, This leaves many without a party they can support.

I agree whitewave.

This article from the New York Times goes some way to explaining how Farage has exploited the economic circumstances of the last 10 - 15 years to undermine to Tory Party & force it further to the right.
I too wish for a resurgence of the One-Nation ideals.