Leaked e-mails and Farage as replacement?

Urmstongran love it, what you have written is sooo true!!! How i wish i had a job working in politics, just sosmething low profile, as the intrigue and skullduggery that goes on both fasinates and horrifies me. How wonderful to be there and seeing and hearing what goes on, there would never be a dull or boring moment at work!!!

Trumps latest tweets prove the ambassador was absolutely right in his assessments.

Someone, can't remember who, said yesterday that during the Wikileaks era there were many just as uncomplimentary messages revealed from US diplomats about the UK government!

Trump has a notoriously thin skin and seems to only like to deal with people who say nice things about him. Also, was there ever a supposed friendly ally who directly criticized a sitting prime minister in such a hostile manner? There's nothing to admire about a populist loose cannon who spouts his mouth off.

I see Tice is calling for Darroch’s resignation. Well, surprise, surprise.

Callistemon - my understanding is that it wasn’t unsafe emails - no one is suggesting a hacker was at work- the messages were sent by the usual secure electronic methods ( but obviously I doubt they’ll put details about this into the public domain for obvious reasons). Communiques in diplomatic bags would have been subject to the same treatment by the leaker. These messages have been amassed over a period of time and leaked at a well chosen moment. It’s not about security - it’s about a civil servant behaving appallingly almost certainly in breach of the Official Secrets Act. There’s is nothing we have seen that could remotely be described as being in the public interest. I hope ( but doubt) that the leaker will be caught, charged and imprisoned ( and stripped of all pension rights). And why do we keep this blanket protection of journalists?m

By the way Call I have heard nothing from any past ambassador or person experienced in diplomatic affairs who sees anything wrong in an ambassador expressing views like this honestly - it’s part of the job and if that’s removed or lessened, we are all losers.

It will be interested to see the way the wind blows once Johnson gets in. If he cow-tows to Trumps suggestion that he get rid of Darron.

If Johnson does we will truly know who controls the U.K.

Darroch

Trump reminds me of a science fiction story I once read.

It was about a child born with two unique powers - he could read people's minds and he could make things happen by the power of thought. At the start of the book he was a baby having baby tantrums if he was hungry or uncomfortable, forcing his mother to do as he wished or suffer pain.

As he grew, he got stronger, and anyone who crossed him or restricted him was instantly struck down with lethal damage to body or mind and their bodies went under the cornfield. He couldn't bear strangers and caused the whole of the world outside his own village to completely disappear.

Villagers who tried to plot against him in secret were instantly detected and annihilated, and the ones left went around tending the corn and any other remnants of crops and saying, and even thinking, what a lovely day it was and how beautiful life was in this perfectly run village, while their numbers dwindled and their fields were demolished if he didn't like the look of them, and the cornfield grew ever more lush.

I can think of a few people besides Trump that story could apply to.

It scared me when I read it, POGS, just as a fictional novel. In real life the thought of someone with no more sense than a child having access to people's private opinions via hackers and sycophantic snoopers, and also having uncontrolled political and media power is terrifying.

Thanks suziewoozie re the explanation about the email.
I do wonder, though, what is the most secure way for this sensitive information to be passed to those who need to know.
There have always been those who believe they are leaking information for the right reasons but in the event cause chaos and yes, if caught, I think they should be prosecuted because they can cause much damage.
The newspaper which published this too.

Any relationship which has been built up between Darroch and the present administration will have been damaged probably beyond repair, Whitewave so I would think he will have to be replaced if Trump refuses to deal with him.
With another very senior diplomat of our choosing not a Trump puppet.

callistemon it will be interesting. Did you listen to Haig on R4 this morning.

I had forgotten about all the tapes released a few years ago concerning USA diplomatic messages etc. They were very disparaging about many world leaders, but I don’t remember governments refusing to deal with the us ambassador as a result. Why on earth should we pander to Trump?

There have always been those who believe they are leaking information for the right reasons

So what could conceivably be 'the right reasons' in this case, Callistomen?

No, whitewave, I missed Haig, will find what he said. He was on the news last night too, but only caught the very end as I was cooking.
I was thinking of others who leaked to the Guardian about Cruise missiles and went to prison.

I have absolutely no idea MaizieD - do you?

I repeat:
There have always been those who believe they are leaking information for the right reasons but in the event cause chaos and yes, if caught, they should be prosecuted because they can cause much damage.

If you can surmise what the right reasons are in this case then please let me know.

Who benefits from this leak though?

That is the question, Urmstongran!

Cui bono?

Callistemon I would suggest that the right reason in this case is malicious intent.

I wonder if someone got a rather lucrative backhander to pass on this information to someone who has malicious intent but from which side?

Were the leaks even LEAKS. Alistair Carmichael made up a wee story involving our FM and a french diplomat and proceeded to "leak" it .The diplomat immediately confirmed the FM hadn't said what Carmichael had "leaked" and the story was a lie .Guess what his constituents still voted him in even though he was a proven liar .Take LEAKS at face value ?

I’m inclined to agree with this

Jonathan Lis
@jonlis1

May’s decision to grant this petulant, preening, moronic ogre the dignity of a state visit, debasing the Royal Family to inflate Trump’s insatiable ego, has resulted in nothing but enduring humiliation. Brexit is ruining us. We are slowly losing everything for no reason at all.

And this, our future PM appears to have no opinion.

Simon Nixon
@Simon_Nixon
Huge test now for Boris Johnson who appears to have said nothing on this so far. Does he stand up for British officials and British institutions or capitulate to this grotesque bullying?

The BA leaves at the end of this year anyway, so that’s the time for a change, I don’t believe he will be replaced before then.

It doesn’t really matter what our individual views on Trump are nonetheless this information shouldn’t have been leaked, and I truly hope that the perpetrator is found and dealt with accordingly. In my humble opinion there are ways and means to express oneself without being quite as forthright as our Ambassador was in this leak. When I was teaching I had to write reports every year, and I had to be extremely diplomatic in the way I expressed myself about some children. I feel it should be within the capabilities of a British Ambassador to express him/herself in such a way as to make the situation explicitly clear without resorting to such uncomplimentary language.

That’s unfortunate Lemon, I was hoping he would be recalled and replaced before then.

Were the leaks even LEAKS
Well, there's a thought!

Fake news?