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Labour Party reportedly using ' gagging orders.

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POGS Mon 08-Jul-19 18:03:55

To be fair the use of NDA's/ Non Disclosure Agreements, commonly known as ' gagging orders' may be used by ALL political parties but it is Labour who are reportedly using them.

NDA's/gagging orders are used for a wide range of issues but this is predominantly to stop staff members from whistle blowing / going public.

The hypocrisy is astounding.

John McDonnell on BBC:-
“What we’re trying to do is remind [ex-employees] of their confidentiality agreement”.
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Jeremy Corbyn:-

Jeremy Corbyn will commit the next Labour government to:
"Legislating to prevent making any contractual clauses (NDAs) which stop disclosure of future discrimination, harassment or victimisation”
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Labour Shadow equalities secretary Dawn Butler:-
" NDAs should never be used to suppress allegations of criminal behaviour. If the current law doesn’t protect the voices of survivors, the next Labour government will legislate to do so”
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" Labour Shadow Equalities Minister Dawn Butler:-
Labour welcomes the EHRC’s recommendations to protect employees from sexual harassment at work. Its call for the Government to prevent employers from using non-disclosure agreements is essential to ensuring greater transparency and access to justice”
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www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-labour-contradict-themselves-on-non-disclosure-agreements

The issue of Labour using NDA's/ gagging orders is certainly cause to ask as what lies behind the need for them, how many have been signed and more to the point were any staff member frightened not to sign them.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/07/labour-in-fresh-antisemitism-row-over-use-of-ndas-against-staff-whistleblowers

Charlie Falconer, the Labour former lord chancellor, said it would be “deeply wrong” and hypocritical for the party to “campaign against NDAs but use them to prevent embarrassment to Labour”.

The Labour MP Wes Streeting also criticised the party for using NDAs in this way, and offered to use parliamentary privilege to disclose information on behalf of any whistleblower who felt they were being silenced.

Anniebach Thu 11-Jul-19 22:12:50

They are so sure of winning the next election because of their high membership, many are young people who admire Corbyn for being a rebel, they need votes across the country, all ages not just youngsters, Marxist and middle aged hippies

Grandad1943 Thu 11-Jul-19 22:43:54

We again see the on the forum members prepared to ignore procedures even when they are written into legislation. Those "former Labour Party employees had laid out procedures available to them, backed by legislation.

However, unlike many thousands throughout various UK industries each year they chose not to make use of those facilities in their grievance with there employers.

The above should and does bring into question the reality and motives of those former employees in bringing their unexamined cases to the attention of the BBC.

It should not be unexpected for some right-wing leaning members of this forum to wish to see laid out procedures ignored. After all the right wing are, it would seem, prepared to see the dismantling of our whole Parliamentary democracy to obtain their warped wishes.

And some preach about a broad church.

Laughable.

Anniebach Fri 12-Jul-19 08:17:28

It should not be expected for some far left Momentum supporters to discuss what the ex employees said .

Who support kicking out MP’s who do not suck up to Corbyn ,

Laughable ? No,

Iam64 Fri 12-Jul-19 08:18:58

Obeying orders and procedures isn't always possible, or indeed the right way to go.

The obvious example in todays news is Maggie Oliver, the GMP officer who helped get victims to trust her with the result men were charged and sentenced in the Rochdale CSE cases. She went off sick after her work was criticised as 'over emotional'. It then became clear to her that the children she'd encouraged to make statements were being misused by the system she had led them to trust. She resigned and became a whistle blower. She wrote a book about her experiences, in which she severely criticises GMP.

Grandad, are you going to dismiss her as someone who didn't follow the correct procedures because she clearly didn't. She's also probably also breaching the official secrets act by writing this book.

I'm not suggesting that public officials should disregard the boundaries in their work. I'm suggesting that the 7 or 8 former employees at the Labour Complaints section shouldn't be rubbished as being ill prepared for their work, going off sick rather than "follow correct procedures" and for speaking out about their experiences.

Anniebach Fri 12-Jul-19 08:22:17

Given the bullying going on in the Labour Party who could they trust to turn to?

Grandad1943 Fri 12-Jul-19 09:02:08

Iam64, in regard to your post @18:18 today (12/07/19), I have stated in my previous post that ALL employees of any organisation have a laid out grievance procedure (supported by legislation) available to them in all cases of dispute with their employers.

Should they undertake to go through that procedure and the hearing and appeal finds against their grievance, then they are then open to take that grievance outside the company/organisation and place it in the hands of an industrial court (better known as Industrial Tribunals)

In the above, their case will be heard and adjudicated on by persons completely independent of anyone connected with any person's employers.

I am not familiar with the case of the GMP officer (whatever that abbreviation is). However, it is being reported that in the case of the Labour p
Party former employees, none of them engaged the above procedure prior to leaving their employment.

Thousands undertake the above with their employers or former employers in Britain each year, and in that many prove that they are the victims of harassment, bullying or constructed dismissal. However, if you do not choose to take up procedures that are freely available to all employees in the UK, you cannot within reason claim to be a victim, and therefore should not be surprised when people question your motives in bringing your unexamined case to the attention of the BBC.

Anniebach Fri 12-Jul-19 09:07:47

Grievence procedure in the Labour Party ?

grin

Iam64 Fri 12-Jul-19 09:08:30

We take, as can be expected, a totally different view in this Grandad. It doesn’t surprise either of us.
GMP is Greater Manchester Police. They have excellent procedures and staff support systems in place. In fact Ms Oliver attempted to use them, to no avail. No doubt you question her motives as well.

Grany Sat 13-Jul-19 08:35:42

Antisemitism in the UK Conservative Party

From its beginning to now Antisemitism rife in Tory party now islamaphobia don't hear about that or anything being done about it.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_UK_Conservative_Party

M0nica Sat 13-Jul-19 15:59:59

My goodness, fancy having to trawl through through 185 years of anti-semitism in the Conservative party to find as many examples of it as Labour has had in the last 2 years.

Anniebach Sat 13-Jul-19 16:16:40

And Labour has managed it in 4 years