Boris v Hunt debate

It really does GGm3. I've watched footage of the Trump rally on the news at 7 - terrifying . Sorry I know that's off piste, this thread is about Johnson and Hunt. Trump manages to make them both look like politicians (help)

Thu 18-Jul-19 19:34:26

It does sometimes feel as if the world has been turned upside down Iam64.

Let me cheer you all up. The Labour Party held a poll, choose you preference of 3 members of the shadow cabinet , and listed them all

John Macdonald came top ,

But the 23rd is coming and he will be Prime Minister

Console yourself that it will only be for a very short time. He is the fall guy for Brexit negotions, as May's successor. It's still a poisoned chalice. I bet Labour is very glad it's been the party of opposition over the last three years of futile negotiation. Political hounds can savage the Conservative Party instead.

And of course The Brexit Party is waiting in the wings should Boris mess up (and he is likely to.)

I have never known a political era like it. I'll be heartily glad when the Brexit issue is done and dusted.

Considering the far left claim the Blair government were tories, I am amazed the NHS did die in 1983

I haven't read the article GGm3 but I will. My immediate response to the suggestion from Gordon Brown that Boris Johnson could be the UK's last prim minister to to sadly acknowledge this may be true. To have a Conservative government prepared to wreck the Union is absolutely shocking. Mind you, off piste but the idea of a Conservative government slashing police numbers and alienating the police force, that's shocking and 10 years ago, would anyone have believed it?

Gordon Brown: 'Boris Johnson could be UK's last prime minister'

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/18/gordon-brown-boris-johnson-could-be-uk-last-prime-minister-

Johnson ( whatever you think about him) is hardly DT, don’t let’s get carried away.

Just watching Trump's audience in the US Hooty makes you realise little has changed in the last 100 years. I suppose we were naive to think it could never happen here.

Twitter on Johnson

Jesus Christ just look at this ridiculous, ranting, blathering arsehole. He's everything that's wrong with this country, and he's proud of it. We are on the eve of a national humiliation of unimaginable proportions.

The question is

Does he know he is wrong and simply lies to get a laugh.

Does he not know and is totally ignorant.

Personally I would go with both.

How soon will it be possible to get rid of him?

I just read the news bulletin about the kippers, will there be a retraction do we think? Oh and Ian Duncan Smith has dismissed as fake news/project fear (tick as applicable) the statement by the OBR that the deficit will greatly increase given a no deal Brexit. The OBR was set up by Osborne while Duncan Smith was in the same cabinet. So even their own experts are being disbelieved. Bloody frightening times we live in when a known liar stands up and lies and gets cheered for it.

I remember the sharp intakes of breath that Teresa May made BJ Foreign Secretary. No one could believe she would trust that buffoon with such a responsible job. And indeed he made a mess of it and embarrassed the UK. Now it is totally unbelievable he looks to soon hold the post of PM. I think this is like a living nightmare! How can people be so gullible?

So neither Johnson nor any of his advisers bothered to check the veracity of the kipper story but managed to organise having a kipper to wave around? Be afraid people be very afraid

The Isle of Man is not in the EU either. So we have a third country shipping into the UK complaining about rules made by our parliament which UK shippers have been glad to have because it limits the possibility of Listeria.

Johnson also made up the bendy bananas rule too. There never was one. The man is a liar.

varian: Why is he continually allowed to get away with anti-EU propaganda based on lies?

It is unbelievable. Kippers and Mars bars. The way he was raving and ranting like a lunatic scared me.

Both are awful beyond belief.
If I wasn't older and ill I would definitely leave the country!!

We will have to see how this plays out but I don't trust either.
Hunt definitely wants to end the NHS based on his past behaviour as Health Minister.
Both of them are liars and neither knows how ordinary people live.

Boris Johnson waved a kipper in the air and told a Tory crowd that it was scandalous that new EU regultions made it impossible to send a kipper through the post without an ice pack.

In fact this new regulation comes from the UK (Tory) government and has absolutely nothing to do with the EU.

Surprise, surprise- nobody challenged him. Why is he continually allowed to get away with anti-EU propaganda based on lies? He's no better than liar Farage.

Iam64 "Edit button - imagine that, me seeing Jeremy Hunt as least worst. that's what we've reached!"

I so agree - can I really be supporting Hunt??|

Just dropping in to say I’m losing the will to live with all this discussion, I’m surprised nobody else is too.

I have just been reading how the chattering classes expect Johnson to behave as PM. They offer "three versions of Nixon".

Version 1. Nixon goes to China.
When Nixon went to China in 1972 and a thaw in Chinese/USA relationships was observed, it was put about that only Nixon, as a fervent anti-communist, could achieve this. In the same way, Johnson's supporters are suggesting only he, as a lead in the Leave campaign, has the credibility to compromise the hardliner, no-deal Brexit position.

Version 2. Madman Theory
This was Nixon's supposed strategy re the Cold War. If he was seen as so unpredictable he might actually move to nuclear war, other leaders fearing the uncertainty would comply with his demands. Where Johnson is concerned he needs to seem so indifferent to the damage no deal would do that the EU would change or even remove the backstop.

Version 3. Scandal, failure and premature departure
I imagine you can work this out for yourselves. Either of the first two versions of Johnson could lead to this as could any idea of prorogation. I imagine even his greatest fans could see this as a possibility. Prorogation, on its own, could do more damage to the Tory brand than Black Wednesday did to its hard-won reputation (already in tatters with many once again) for economic competence.

This is my reading of the piece which is today's Brexit Blog chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/. It tells much more of the reasons these theories could rebound on the arch Brexiteers.

First I start to think that Thatcher wasn't too bad and now I'm thinking that I wish May was still PM.... Talk about scraping the barrel...

Agree BlueBelle

Maybe we should just keep Theresa May????

Hunt Johnson Corbin all need totally binning send them to a desert island with farage and trump for company The whole bloody lot are a disgrace and ruining our once proud country