Is this the face of fascism?

MaizieD- I was if you like "putting the cat amongst the pigeons".

The whole Boris Johnson, Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, Nigel Farage et al hysteria is at a level that I have never seen-noticed before.

I am not a "Farage Fan Gran" , but I cannot see a clear way out of the political "mess" the UK is in.

I lay the blame 100% at the feet of David Cameron for the referendum and John Major for signing up to the Maastricht Treaty.

We cannot turn the clock back before the referendum, so logically MPs have to negotiate across the political divide and sort out this sorry mess.

Depending on what newspaper/ digital news outlet we get our information from they are so utterly conflicting, there are so many "experts" who have opposing views, how the flip are we the people meant to assimilate it all?

Is the OP American Ambassadors "statement" just "tit for tat" sound bites??

What do you mean by that, GG13?

Are you doubting that Farage actually said it?

If not, are you suggesting that the reaction, to what Farage said, of horror felt by any sane and reasonable person is just a 'soundbite'?

Well done, Petra. Brightlingsea. At least you tried! I was living abroad at the time and my father, another 'campaigner' told me all about it.

Is the OP American Ambassadors "statement" just "tit for tat" sound bites??

Leaving the EU is a feature of page two of this thread, like it or not

That is because it is leaving the EU that is facilitating the rise of fascism in the UK
If it weren't for the Brexit vote this would not be happening. I note that you don't care to address yourself to the subject of this thread.

I've just checked back, Day6 and it certainly hadn't meandered. It was firmly fixed on fascism

It is also, page two of this thread, firmly fixed on the topic of leaving the EU.

Maisie - score points if you wish, belittle posters who disagree with you, but do not deny what is there for all to see. It makes you look...well...I shan't say.

I will gladly number/list the posts which refer to Brexit on page two of this thread, including the one I replied to.

Leaving the EU is a feature of page two of this thread, like it or not.

How can anyone believe that the 'urbane' Farage speaks for anyone but himself and his self-serving cronies?

He speaks for me, regarding Brexit, and at least 17.4 million who voted to leave.

How on earth can you dismiss the feelings of at least half those who bothered to vote in the referendum? Have you not understood that those who have been sneered at, belittled, been told they are 'stupid' or 'racist' ever since Remainers lost in 2016, are glad to have someone, anyone, stand up to what is going on in Parliament?

If Nigel Farage hadn't done it, our postman was on the verge of creating a revolution on behalf of Leavers. He is Muslim, and far from being fascist - and all the slurs Remainers have hurled at Farage.

which has, as most do, meandered.

I've just checked back, Day6 and it certainly hadn't meandered. It was firmly fixed on fascism.

Brexit is mentioned in the majority of posts on the previous page.

Well, of course it is. It's Brexit that is facilitating the rise of fascist ideas in the UK.

I don't recall anyone insisting on 'the will of the people' or calling the judiciary 'enemies of the people, or suggesting that we purge the civil service and the military of those who aren't true believers in a particular ideology, pre 2016. Or calling people 'traitors' who don't subscribe to that ideology. If you can't recognise these as fascist ideas I'm sorry, but they are. And you can see them in the writings of pre-war Nazis... It seems that some Brexit campaigners rather admired them...

A leading campaigner for Brexit heaped praise on the “very clever” propaganda techniques of the Nazis and Isis, a recording has revealed.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/andy-wigmore-brexit-nazi-propaganda-cambridge-analytica-isis-recording-hitler-a8308186.html

How can anyone believe that the 'urbane' Farage speaks for anyone but himself and his self-serving cronies?
He doesn't give flying fig about the ostensibly patriotic man/woman in the street but by the time his naive and gullible fans realise this they'll have f*** things up for all of us.
I reiterate - the supporters of Farage/ Johnson/ Trump are no doubt quite happy to see things going the way they're going now!

The civil servants and MPs need to support Brexit because that is what the majority of people in this country, who took the trouble to vote in the Referendum, have chosen to do.
Civil servants carry out the orders of the Government of the day, regardless of whether they agree with the policies or not, and to give unbiased information to that Government based on reputable research.

That does show a weakness and a lack of influence in our EU membership, minniemoo, in that we have not been able to bring about change in the export of live farm animals.

minniemoo
Well said ?
I have several scuffles with the police and public in Brightlingsea in 1995. And all for nothing ?

No, my post IS pertinent to this thread, which has, as most do, meandered. I was replying to Elegran's post (up there) when she asked why we voted to go it alone...."when biggest is best", or considered to be.

I did actually quote the post I was replying to. Didn't you notice?

Brexit is mentioned in the majority of posts on the previous page.

So if Farage is calling for civil servants and military remain voters to be got rid of, whose he intending to fill the jobs?

Does anyone remember Gorbachev? Well respected chap many moons ago. He came out with something I found rather interesting .... ""The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe."" There are many pros and cons to both arguments. In my opinion. However, if we do ever leave I do hope that we will finally be able to put an end to the horrendous live animal export trade. Once Britain leaves the EU, the country could ban the export of thousands of live farm animals to mainland Europe. As it stand we are unable to do anything about that. It might seem minor to some but it's been one of my 'causes' for years.

? wrong thread I think day6

What has this got to do with fascism, Day6?

who voted to go it alone in the current global atmosphere of "biggest is best" and the devil take the hindermost?

But that's NOT what is going to happen, is it?
The freedom to deal globally will be outs - and most countries, something like 99% of them, go through the WTO, including the EU.

Remainers coined the 'crashing out' phrase. It sounds so much more frighteningly cliff-edge than 'going global' and 'throwing off shackles', doesn't it?

The EU actually restricts our economic growth.

Don't worry, Gonegirl, we now seem to be living in the early stages of a state turning to fascism; if it gets any worse you'll soon have a good, practical demonstration of what fascism is...

I have never worked out what facism is. I have read about it. Son has explained it to me, several times. I can't get my head round it.

Urmstongran YOU (sorry for shouting) cannot be serious! Surely!
And how I wish you had never discovered that emoji button - why make a joke of everything?

Brexit is definitely not a good idea, and most people who work at a high level in any form of trade, diplomacy etc will know that. There aren’t many civil servants who hand on heart think it is a good thing. I do know people who work in the civil service at quite a high level, and they tell of what an absolute mess everything is. If it was such a brilliant idea, I think leavers would have persuaded half the country to get behind it by now with clear evidence. Even that vacuum cleaner guy who told us all how good Brexit would be for the U.K. has relocated to the most expensive apartment in Singapore and is building his electric cars in the Far East.

If it wasn't for the Civil Service I dread to think what state this country would be in now, given that all most politicians have cared about for 3 years now is Brexit and how to hang on to their jobs....

I am very concerned about the state of the nation and right wing extremism, especially. Hitler was brought to power by populist policies. It’s very scary.

Whitewavemark2, it has always been the pattern of those that wish to create a totalitarian state to undermine the Civil Sevice apreatus of that state as it's first objective. This nation has witnessed that objective take place in the action of Boris Johnson and those that surround him refusing to support Britains ambassador to Washington when he is under unjustified attack from the Trump administration.

We have also witnessed Boris Johnson refusing to rule out the prorogue of Parliament should he become Britains next Prime Minister. That suspension of democracy to all the people of this nation is again typical of those who wish to bring about a totalitarian state.

Fascism is now endemic deep within one of the leading political institutions of the United Kingdom, and all should be very deeply concerned.

qq as a civil servant, you don’t support anything. You simply do what is required by the government and advise as necessary. Civil servants are vastly experienced, far more than any government minister, but they will do exactly what is required.

However, what civil servants do and which idiots like Farage, don’t like is that as the ambassador they speak truth to power. So if something that a minster is asking the civil servant to carry out is either fool hardy or impossible, they will advise, but nevertheless they will move heaven and earth to carry out the policy.