Panorama

Annie you post so much about the same thing so I wonder if Corbyn hadn't talked to the IRA and helped build the rapport that led to the Good Friday agreement would you be happier because bombs were still killing people?

paddyann I have no personal grudge against Corbyn, I base my opinions on what he says and does.

Attending a memorial service for an IRA member ? What other reason than to pay resepects ?

To invite members of the IRA to Westminster just weeks after the Brighton bombing ? Is this acceptable to you because conservatives were hurt ? People were grieving, shocked, ok because they were conservatives?

I do "get" that you have some kind of personal grudge against him maybe you could put persoanl feelings aside and see behind the media smokescreen

Hamas are part of the elected govenment of Palestine Annie as to the IRA funeral sometimes its essential to show support to gain trust in these situations .Unless you were in the room when he was speaking to the IRA politcal or active side then you have no way of knowing what his reasons were .The Good friday agreement is under threat again what would you prefer ..that someone ANYONE even Corbyn speaks to the paramilitary in an effort to avoid the "troubles" reoccurring or or just sits back and watches while people die again

Corbyn praised one of documentaries highly ,

I've watched it. It does conflict anti-semitism and anti-Israel stances. I also found it odd (and slightly sinister given John Ware's previous record on making anti-Islamic documentaries) that the voice chosen to read the Labour Party statements was a woman with a faint Middle Eastern accent. In fact I thought it was a dreadful piece of work by someone who is not only biased but makes incredibly bad documentaries.

lemon, baffling how they were recruited last September for
an enquiry which wasn’t announce until this year

They are described by JLM as being "secured" Annie. I thought recruited was a reasonable alternative. But they are not new whistleblowers twitter.com/JewishLabour/status/1149327973146923009

30 new whistle blowers Annie....crikey!

Recruited trisher ? You know they didn’t want to speak but were persuaded?

Iam no longer a member of the Labour Party being a Scot and a Nationalist but if Iwere I would probably be accussed of being antisemitic because Iam critical of the State of Israel! I dont see that as racist or antisemitic but many do So be it .

Let's get this correct 30 whistleblowers have come forward to give evidence to the enquiry. These have been recruited since September last year by the JLM.

30 more whistleblowers have come forward

I would have thought it was perfectly possible for ex-employees to be both distressed and disgruntled.
Thanks for the summary bmacca I will try to find time to watch it, but won't expect balance.

bmacca Agree very one sided and biased.

In Ireland the conversation is moving from talking of a United Ireland and moving instead to talking about a Union of Ireland. This takes a lot of the incendiary language out of the issue and gives a sense of two equal parts. Read James Nesbitt's interview in the Irish Times on this issue. Easily googled.
As for the Panorama programme, I find it hard to believe that all of these individuals are merely disgruntled employees. A thorough, and unbiased, investigation of their claims by the Party would surely have exposed the truth one way or another.

Disgruntled ex employees ? No, very distressed ex employees who are brave enough to speak of their experiences

Calling them ‘disgruntled ex employees is the claim from
Labour HQ.

Sorry if that’s a bit difficult to read. I’m not sure why the numbers 1 to 10 haven’t copied.

It is perfectly possible, reasonable and (I would say) almost certainly true - that you can believe there is a 'small number' of anti-Semitism cases in Labour and that these are abhorrent and must be vigorously and firmly dealt with. This has definitely improved since Jennie Formby took over as general secretary. Ian McNichol and his staff including Sam Matthews (who features in the Panorama programme) were not doing a good job hence the huge backlog.
However alongside this you also have some of the Progress/Labour First anti-Corbyn right wing critics (Watson, Hodge and Streeting are definitely in this category) who have tried to amplify the occurrences and scale of the problem to create mischief and division for their own endless anti-Corbyn agendas. These 2 positions are not contradictory - and can be held at the same time.

As regards the Panorama programme, I think the Jewish Dissident sums it up well:

Ten Facts About The Panorama Documentary
The bulk of the program's testimony was provided by disgruntled ex-employees of the Party, bureaucrats who were unable or unwilling to work with the new leadership, including Iain (now Lord) McNichol. Their claims were accepted uncritically by the interviewer.
Sound bytes delivered straight to camera by anonymous individuals peppered the program. They consisted of unsubstantiated allegations, were low on facts and high on emotional content (much 'tearing up' by the interviewees), and relied on appeals to emotion rather than verifiable data. Their allegations, in some cases verging on the absurd, were not investigated but, again, taken at face value.
So-called 'expert testimony' was provided by authors sympathetic to the paradigm of the New Antisemitism, which deliberately conflates antisemitism with anti-Zionism. These included Dave Rich (The Left's Jewish Problem) and Alan Johnson (Contemporary Left Anti-Semitism). Their motivations and assumptions went unchallenged, and no alternative perspective was put forward.
There was no input whatsoever from the thousands of Jewish Party members who support Jeremy, whose inclusion might have signaled at least some interest in journalistic balance, but would of course have risked damaging the program's pure propaganda value.
There was much recycling of old material - e.g. the Mear One mural and the Ken Livingstone fiasco - in the absence of any substantial new allegations.
There were several telling elisions, like the program's failure to mention that Jackie Walker - whose case was dealt with in a predictably appalling fashion by Ware - is herself Jewish. The Chakrabarti report was dismissed in a couple of brief asides.
Individuals like MP Louise Ellman were able to tell their apparently plausible stories without their own political affiliations being flagged up. Ellman has for many years been a key member of Labour Friends Of Israel.
A handful of leaked emails were made much of by John Ware, but in no case did these emails provide any evidence whatsoever of actual Labour Party antisemitism.
The program's underlying assumptions were that anti-Zionism equals antisemitism, and that Marxists have no place in the Labour Party. These assumptions determined both the tone and the content of the piece.
At no stage were any of the serious allegations of concrete antisemitism alleged by the anonymous participants, or indeed by anyone else, investigated by the program. This made a mockery of its claim to be a serious investigation and clearly revealed it for what it was - an ideologically motivated hatchet job with no concern for the truth.

The reunification of Ireland would certainly solve a few problems and if that's what the majority want in a referendum, if that ever happens, then that's absolutely fine, same with Scotland and Wales. No majority should ever be held against their will, including Brexit.

Did you attended memorial services for IRA members
Paddyann, do you look on Hamas as friends.

As for Ireland I support what the majority vote for if there is
A referendum.

Anti semetism is in the Labour Party.

I support a united Ireland Annie ..does that make me a terrorist supporter too ? I support the people of Palestine who suffer daily from Israeli policies .I'm not ANTI semetic just anti Israeli government,,I believe people HAD to talk to the IRA and the protestant/unionist para military or a solution would never have been found .I dont believe Corbyn is any of the things you call him certainly NOT marxist ,he's not even a real socialist in my book and I grew up in a real socialist family ..founder members of teh labour party .I am not a Corbyn supporter .I wouldn't vote for him ever or his party but those of you down south who dont have an alternative to the Tories HAVE to be told the truth about him and not a full volume of fables and myths as is currently happening .

The BBC is biased?
Never!

Yggdrasil, yes the programme gave numerous examples of those who took part stressing the difference between anti semitism and criticism of the actions of the Isreali government.

I don’t believe Corbyn can look at things from both sides,
he supports a United Ireland so supported the IRA.

He supports Palestine so attends a wreath laying ceremony for terrorists who brutally murdered innocent Olympians .

Refuses to accept an invitation to visit The Israeli Holocaust
Memorial.

I am not attacking him, just think he has tunnel vision , he believes in his causes but cannot see the other side in a conflict .