Anyone have good news to share about the U.K.? ??

Of course logically I should be vegetarian. But I found a good compromise by eating veg one day, fish the next and then meat.

The dairy industry is crueller than the meat industry in many ways.

You can if you wish visit the farm to see his farming practices.

That is why I have sourced a farmer whose welfare standards are as high as possible. The animals are farmed organically and grass fed. They are slaughtered close by and humanely.
The meat comes directly from the farmer.
If you care about how these animals are treated then it is within everyone’s remit to source a farmer who has the highest standards possible.

Milk is my next thing to tackle.

I don’t know where people get the idea that Uk farm animal welfare is the best in Europe. I think the Netherlands , Germany and some Scandinavian countries rank higher or equal. If you think the industrial way of farming is good animal welfare, you must have blinkers on. There are films of terrible cruelty going on in U.K. abattoirs, nothing is done about it by the U.K. authorities it’s sickening, it’s ridiculous to suggest it will somehow get better by not being in the EU. I don’t post them on here but I don’t think anyone will want to see it.

Those comments say otherwise.

I understood it very well thanks WWM2

Your reply to eleothan lemon is as usual underwhelming in its understanding of what she was saying, and the many academic reports about this disparity.

A diatribe of envy if ever I heard one.
Anyone with money ( you didn’t have to be an aristocrat)
Took advantage of low interest rates to buy up stocks and shares.
There simply aren’t many ‘super rich’ amongst the aristocrats anyway! Far more super rich from the business classes.
What has helped them (moneywise) is throwing open their doors to the paying public, which most had to in order to pay the bills.
Stocks and shares are a huge gamble, you have to be prepared to both win and lose.
The numbers of the very wealthy aristocrats who don’t have to open to the public is very small.

Well, there's certainly good news for some people - though not for most of us:

The I today:

"Artistocrat UK: landed gentry double their wealth in a decade"

The report refers to pioneering research, based on data from the wills of nearly 2,000 title holders. It found that, on average, Britain's approximate 600 aristocratic families are as wealthy as their Victorian counterparts at the height of Britain's empire.

The figures show there has been a four-fold increase in the value of a hereditary title, which is now worth more than £16 million. The aristocracy has prospered during the era of financial de-regulation and liberalisation, introduced by Mrs Thatcher in 1979.

The article states that these personal wealth figures are likely to be much higher because other assets, such as art collections and investment portfolios are held in separate trusts which are not open to examination.

More progressive taxation after the Second World War brought about a decline in the vast fortunes of the nobility. However the 2008 financial crisis reversed this trend, allowing these super rich aristocrats to take advantage of low interest rates to buy up stocks and shares. The article states that since 2008 the average wealth of the nobility stood at £8.9 million - so it has nearly doubled from that time until now.

Meanwhile, the Guardian reported in January this year:

"Research by the Trades Union Congress (TUC) found that the average worker has lost £11,800 in real earnings since 2008.

"The UK has suffered the worst real wage slump among leading economies, the union organisation said.

"Workers have suffered cumulative losses in inflation-adjusted pay ranging from just under £5,000 in north-east England to more than £20,000 in London, said the report."

Whatever happens re Brexit (and it doesn't look at all good at the moment) these figures demonstrate a systemic failure of the current system to address the ever- increasing, and vast, disparity between the very rich and the average person.

Fake news paddy ????????

there is currently a post doing the rounds about millions of sheep being killed and buried because we wont be able to keep them when we lose the custom of the EU .I dont know if its true but I wouldn't put anything past this government.The farmers are being given a miniscule compensation award apparently .If I manage to find out the truth of it I'll post here

Lemongrove, newer moral initiatives such as farm animal welfare begin among the people not the political regime.Many Europeans including in southern Europe now want better farm animal welfare. Laws follow morality in free countries.

We have been in the EU for a long time, if we had been able to influence the trade in live animals for meat exports then we would have done so by now.The other EU countries don’t see it as a problem.

suzie the answer is, that I don’t know ( if we will refuse to send live animals abroad) once out of the EU, and nor does anybody else know at the moment.
The important thing is that we could do and I hope that we will do.

UK farm animal welfare is the best in Europe

Good news. We are known as an animal loving country. We must not forget though that we also have people. I think their welfare does not always get the attention it deserves.

Once out of Europe we won't have a vote among any assemblage of colleagues whatsoever.

I think our Leavers see that as a plus point

Lemon do you think we will refuse to send live animals abroad?

It's all part of the strange belief that leaving the EU is going to make everyone nicer, kinder, and more demanding of animal rights, particularly animal exporters. The tories are going to change the habits of a lifetime and actually care about workers' rights, reducing inequality and supporting citizens who are unable to support themselves. They will pour billions into the deprived regions to help them to grow their economies, revitalise the fishing industry and Make Britain Great Again. Etc...

Surely you knew that, suziewoozie?

Lemongrove, whatever Urmstongran's intention in originating this thread, it's true that there needs to be a lot more patriotism a lot more appreciation of our country.

European animal welfare , and incidentally common European food standards, would have been worse if we had not been Europeans adding our considerable expertise and good reputation to that of other Europeans. Once out of Europe we won't have a vote among any assemblage of colleagues whatsoever.

GGM3 post doesn't seem at all strange.....it makes a lot of sense.

Lemon do you think we will refuse to send live animals abroad? CIWF says we’ve been sending increasing numbers since 2010 so it’s a choice that’s being made by us ( ie UK exporters).

Alexa I agree with you that the UK has the best animal welfare in the EU, but not that we could have improved things within the EU had we stayed, we have had years and years to do that and it hasn’t happened because they don’t want it.
Once out of the EU we can set new standards and refuse to send live animals abroad, and I hope we will do.

......another strange post from you GGM3

This was a thread set up by people who want to paint a particular picture of those who don't agree with them. Plots like that rarely work. It is a well-known extremists trope to suggest that, "if you don't agree with me you don't love our country". It has never been true and isn't true now.

It seems that some are prepared to don the costume and act as enforcers. I doubt that, yet awhile at least, that will work either.

Justme67It's worth being unsociable to help animals in need.