Johnson’s Government

Elegran I totally agree with your post, we have had three years of "point scoring" by all members of the H of Cs. These MPs must talk to each other!!!!!

The days of one party having an overall working majority and all that party "obeying" the Whip, have in my opinion disappeared, probably never to be seen again.

When the party with any majority at all has only a tiny one, then NO party has a mandate to rule, and the sensible thing for them all to do would be to talk to each other as though they all had the state of the country at heart, whatever their variations in specific policies, and work out a way forward by working together and taking the best of idea from all sides.

Fat chance.

suziewoozie - a general election. Not only has our PM been chosen by a miniscule minority of people; but he is leader of a party who has virtually no majority and therefore no mandate to rule.

Not only that, but he is known as a liar and a cheat.

I am just hoping that he will get kicked up the rear by his parliamentary party.

Boris Johnson is eminently better than Jeremy Corbyn or Nigel Farage.

I shall wait and see how he conducts himself and the decisions he makes whilst PM.

Lying comes as easily as breathing.

The planet is on fire and we are relying on 2 morons to put out the flames ? God help us all?

Lucky-what to you think should have happened? I’m with Elegran - it should be up to the MPs

It IS democratic that freely chosen representaives should select a freely chosen person to represent them. Democracy in tiers is still democracy.

The Prime Minister represents the Queen in the House of Commons as the leader of the national government and as such he/she chooses MPs to whom to delegate responsibity for various aspects of natyional life. He/she could choose them from any shade of political opinion, but it is normal for them to be picked from the Parliamentary party with a majority.

What exactly IS a Parliamentary political party? It is a group of elected representatives who agree to stick together when it comes to voting on proposed legislation. They choose their leader because he/she is someone the MPs can all get behind and trust to lead them, while they in turn are trusted by their electorate to contribute to making sensible decisions on behalf of the whole population

If the whole population were in charge of choosing either a party leader or, as a result of a majority, a Prime Minister, then it could be possible for someone to be leading the Parliamentary party whom the MPs who is NOT trusted by the MPs who are in contact with them every day and have to work with them.

In the States, where President is chosen as a separate exercise to electing representatives, the effects are currently clearly seen.

The person leading our country now has been voted in by a tiny minority of citizens. That is not democratic. It may be within the rules, but that does not make it democratic. Not all rules are good rules.

Lucky- what do you mean is not a democratic system? MPs choosing or party members?

Elegran you’ve put so clearly what I’ve been trying to say and underlined the historical context - as you say, it just used to be MPs and I still think it should be. It feels much more accountable to the whole electorate. And what right I’d like to ask about Conservative Party members under 18 being allowed to choose the next PM especially as, as a party, they are against votes for under 18s in elections in general.

It may be normal, but it is not a democratic system.

Why do people think that in this country it is not usual for only MPs to choose a party leader? In the sixty years or so that I have been a voting grownup, it has been usual for them to be chosen that way, and it has been unusual up until relatively recently for any rank and file party members to have an decisive say and a vote on the selection.

The wider electorate vote for their MP, the MPs choose their leader from those who have been elected to represent their constituents, and the head of state (HM the Queen) asks the leader whose party has enough of a majority to form a government and lead the country as a Prime (ie, leading) Minister.

If a Prime Minister leaves office in between General Elections, it has been normal in most cases for his/her successor to be chosen by MPs of their party.

Good grief

R4!! Anyone hear Trump? It’s happening just as we feared.

Trump called Johnson a British Trump, a good guy, and in the same breath Nige, where’s Nige, he’s in the audience somewhere, they are going to make such a good team.

Well here comes the first test - who’s going to blink first with the Jeremy Hunt stand-off?

Oh I think Boris has the potential to be much worse than previous PMs, his track record has not been good. His personal life has also been pretty chaotic, PM is not a job where a smart comment or silly action gets you anywhere, maybe he will get parliament to agree a deal before Oct 31. There is no way he will get “No Deal” through by then.

I think we're allowed to like who we like. Not everyone likes him and that is perfectly fine with me. And if my FB friends are outraged, I will allow them their outrage. That's what life is all about

Minniemoo you get my vote for posting good old fashioned, non aggressive common sense! Thank you!

You are right. The internet and social media is just full of outrage, especially as far as politics is concerned. That is exactly it.

I don't understand Labour's love affair with the weak, indecisive and unprincipled far-left Corbyn, but I appreciate that some people think he's good news for Labour. Let them think it.

I am glad Boris won. He was a better fit than Hunt imo. I was pleasantly surprised by his thoughtful acceptance speech too yet some posters seem apoplectic with rage at his appointment.

I don't excuse myself from the rage, but as someone who genuinely likes a quiet life I do try to keep a sense of proportion. We have had a succession of poor Prime Ministers and party leaders in the last two decades - Blair, Brown, Miliband, Cameron, May. I think Johnson, with his unique style and mannerisms can't do any worse. As a Leave voter I like his determined stance to get us out of the EU by Oct 31st. It is OK to want that.

Preferences are fine. Speculation is fine but enmity online is a different ball game.

A lot of sour remarks and cat's rs lips on here from the same clique. The Bostick family I call 'em. Stick together through thick and thin.

PS. He resigned because he said he would if he failed to gain independence in 2014 and he did

PS. He resigned because he said he would if he failed to gain independence in 2014 and he did

I've had a post removed because I stated that Alex Salmond didn't resign because of allegations of sex ual misconduct .I am repeating what I said in it .He may have been charged but all of us who know him know that this is clearly an attempt to keep him out of the way of a second Scottish referendum ....Innocent until PROVEN guilty.Alex Salmond is an Honest and Honourable man who has dedicated his whole life to the cause of Scottish Independence .Shame that there is no one to compare in Westmonster parties !I am now out of this site .I didn't think I would experience this sort of bias on it .Good luck with Boris and the westminster clowns ....you'll need it!!

And many, many people don't, Less

But Maizie, Many people adore Boris.

Apart from Churchill, I don't think that any of them took over in circumstances anywhere approaching the seriousness of what we are facing now. And I don't think that Churchill was quite as reviled as is Johnson. Nor were there any serious differences over who rules the country and what constitutes a 'democratic' process. I think there are now.