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Johnson’s Government

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Whitewavemark2 Thu 18-Jul-19 16:33:05

I can imagine we will be horror struck as next week plays out. The cabinet will be a sight to behold.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 18-Jul-19 16:39:19

Parliament have already laid down a challenge by blocking the prorogation of Parliament.

He’s got to be able to get a Queens speech through, and perhaps a vote of no confidence.

At the moment the Tories have a majority of 3. Given the strong dislike of Johnson by many Tories, he’s going to have to go some to take the whole of the Tory party with him in votes.

Blinko Thu 18-Jul-19 16:41:48

I'll be interested to see just how long he (or anyone, for that matter) manages to keep the show on the road before he is forced into a GE. Also, assuming it's Boris, how far his talent for bluster and filibuster gets him.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 18-Jul-19 17:04:23

Oh dear

James O'Brien

The kipper story contains the essence of Johnson. Somebody tells him something and he asks himself not whether it’s true but how it will play to the crowd. Deeply irresponsible in a journalist, downright catastrophic in a Prime Minister. What a mess we’ve made.

NannyJan53 Thu 18-Jul-19 17:04:52

I can never quite follow quite what Boris is talking about most of the time with all the er's, hmmm's. and pauses. I lose interest in what he has to say.

RosieLeah Thu 18-Jul-19 17:40:48

In spite of your concerns, he is the strongest contender. The other candidates were eliminated very quickly. What does that tell you about the support he has?

Whitewavemark2 Thu 18-Jul-19 18:08:23

It tells me that he has strong support from brexiters. That will not translate into votes in the commons

SirChenjin Thu 18-Jul-19 18:13:03

Exactly White

Lessismore Thu 18-Jul-19 18:13:39

It tells me money talks.

GracesGranMK3 Thu 18-Jul-19 18:23:13

(Re: Thu 18-Jul-19 17:37:01)

I'm not sure "strongest contender" describes him but I agree it seems likely he will win with the small selectorate of 15-year-olds and elderly men who will be voting for him. The vote was restructured so that other candidates would be eliminated quickly. I'm afraid that has misled you into believing it is something to do with Johnson's prowess RosieLeah.

RosieLeah Thu 18-Jul-19 18:55:36

You mean you think the whole thing has been orchestrated? This wouldn't have happened if Theresa May had shown a bit more backbone, and allowed herself to be manipulated by Remainers. Boris Johnson is what my mother would call 'a flybynight'. The country is going to be in even more of a mess when he's in power. What we need is someone strong and decisive who will put the country first. At present, there just isn't anyone who fits the bill, so we'll have to continue to muddle along.

SirChenjin Thu 18-Jul-19 19:13:08

She wasn’t manipulated - she was attempting to get a deal that would be acceptable to 48% of the population and the MPs from across the UK representing them. What a shame that some see that as not having a backbone.

crystaltipps Thu 18-Jul-19 19:15:30

It was the extreme leavers who did for T May btw. They were the ones who opposed her agreement.

Day6 Thu 18-Jul-19 19:25:21

I think most of us appreciate (no matter who we vote for) that politics and politicians are in a deplorable state.

That a GE will be on the cards before long is not surprising. However, just as the Conservatives are in disarray, so are Labour, who have now decided to become the party of remain. They've blown it. Labour Leave MPs are between a rock and a hard place. The Lib Dems want to hold the Remain mantle, but the vote is now split, Conservatives don't know whether they want in or out and all the time Nigel Farage and the Brexit Party is waiting in the wings.

Boris has to get it right or two party politics as we know it is dead in the water. Labour and Conservative Party MPs know it too.

Day6 Thu 18-Jul-19 19:28:19

It was the extreme leavers who did for T May btw. They were the ones who opposed her agreement

Well most of us thank them from the bottom of our hearts.

It was not a deal which favoured the UK. It was an agreement which tied us to Brussels. That was the abysmal result of three years negotiating (by a Remainer politician) and it was futile.

SirChenjin Thu 18-Jul-19 19:37:03

And now we’ve potentially got a deal that ties us to austerity and a shrinking economy that will cost us far more than the cost of being in the EU without the benefits. Not really much to give thanks for imo - apart from today’s vote

Urmstongran Thu 18-Jul-19 19:41:31


Gotta love that one.

Day6 Thu 18-Jul-19 19:47:11

and a shrinking economy

OR, a global, expanding economy, depending on how you see the future.

There are no givens, we know that.

Remainers "better the devil we know" approach, when we know how the EU puts a straight-jacket on our economy, is also a very head-in-the sand-stance. All is not well within the EU.

SirChenjin Thu 18-Jul-19 19:50:52

Yep, it could expand - but at what cost? I’m not seeing any sources that I trust suggesting that though.

And on that note I’m off as I’m heading out for the evening.

GracesGranMK3 Thu 18-Jul-19 20:31:33

OR, a global, expanding economy, depending on how you see the future.

You do realise there is only one economist of any note who supports that possibility, don't you? I would rather trust experts than grannies in this instance.

Day6 Thu 18-Jul-19 20:39:56

You trust your experts then GG. I'll read Leaver-biased optimistic reports.

They can only make predictions - you do know that?

M0nica Thu 18-Jul-19 20:45:57

Once again Boris b*llses it, because he didn't bother to check his facts.

First time it was that poor woman Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe, who today was carted off to a psychiatric ward in chains by the Republican Guard, who suffered as a result of his failure to read his briefing. Now this ridiculous story about the kippers, which are UK not EU regulations.

Is this man fit to hold power? More importantly, why are the people supporting him and managing his campaign, who know what he is like and have therefore been very careful about how often he is seen by the media, after in being on his side. What is their agenda? What are they after? That is the bit worrying me.

M0nica Thu 18-Jul-19 20:51:37

GGMK3, I assume you mean Patrick Minford and the others that support Economics for Free Trade (previously Economist for Brexit)' Others supporting this organisation include Jacob Rees-Mogg and Sir James Dyson hmm

Their ideas for the future of this country include slashing taxes and removing laws that protect workers rights. Minford was one of Margaret Thatcher's favourite economists and he would have an economy red in tooth and claw and probably even more market only orientated than the USA.

That may be what you want Day6. I certainly don't.

GracesGranMK3 Thu 18-Jul-19 21:00:08

They can only make predictions - you do know that? Thu 18-Jul-19 20:39:56

They are not Mystic Meg Day6, nor are they weather forecasters who are going to tell you sterling will go up or down tomorrow. They deal with long term trends. You are not looking for exactitude from a Macro Economist but a sense of direction and breadth. I have seen nothing from the no-nothing Brexiteers to explain why, although they may disagree on the detail, the vast majority of economists agree on the direction this country will take if we leave and if we leave with no deal.

What, economically, do your Leaver-biased reports say will happen? Over what period and to what degree?

GracesGranMK3 Thu 18-Jul-19 21:01:54

I do M0nica. What I wonder is how many leavers actually know what he is suggesting?