Johnson’s Government

This is only the beginning. Johnson will be so awful and there's almost certain to be a general election within months. Unless Labour replaces Corbyn, the result is likely to be a four way split with no party able to command an overall majority. It will probably be years before the UK has a stable government.

There have been more over the years too, Anniebach - Winston Churchill, Lloyd George, Baldwin, Chamberlain, Eden, MacMillan, Douglas Home.

It's not unusual, in fact just over half became PM without undergoing a GE.

But it has happened before, Gordon Brown , James Callaghan , John Major

But it is interesting isn’t it lemon that it’s never happened before? I agree they are following the rules ( which as I’ve said before I think are daft for all parties) so I’m certainly not complaining about what’s happened but rather that that’s how they do it ( all parties). Anyway it’s done isn’t it and hasn’t made any difference anyway as to who was elected

I find the constant complaining that only Conservative members get to choose the new PM rather baffling.
Only LP members and Lib Dem members get to choose their leader too, and although PM is the most important job,
If the incumbent PM steps down mid term, this is how it is done.Nothing to complain about in the actual process.

Suziewoozie

I repeated the wrong information re Salmond/Sturgeon on another thread and said :-

"I stand corrected"

You are right to challenge my words.

The main premise I was making is there are posters who challenge the fact the Conservative Party has elected the new PM on various threads stating it is undemocratic/ only a percentage got to vote/ it should be a General Election to decide who should be PM etc.

There is nothing untoward in any party replacing their Leader through their party members ballot and I will make that point.

If Nicola Sturgeon resigned as First Minister of Scotland it would be upto the SNP to replace her. If Corbyn were Prime Minister and resigned it would be upto the Labour Party to replace him. That should be the same principle with Theresa May's resignation and the Conservative Party, unless of course when the principle suits it's fine when it doesn't let's cry unfair/undemocratic and that's why I am commenting, hypocrisy.

Thanks wildswan

Yes suzie, Salmond resigned after the Independence referendum in September 2014.

I think you are mistaken POGS re Sturgeon. She took over when Salmond resigned after the Referendum defeat. Perhaps the Scottish grannies could clarify?

What is different about this situation is that it is the first time ever that the party membership have decided on a leader who will be PM. Not that that makes any difference as BJ would have been leader if only the MPs had voted. Personally I think it should just be the MPs that vote anyway but I know most people don’t agree with that view.

Except Callaghan never made the crisis comment.

James Callaghan became prime minister without a general
election. Winter of discontent? crisis, what crisis.’

Two threads

I think there will be a General Election sooner rather than later and Labour will have to deare at long last whether it is a Remain or Leave Party, as with the Conservatives.

I'm more interested in Johnson Cabinet selection to be honest

Exactly POGS.

Some people need to take off their political blinkers.

I think you already know the answer to that POGS
However, that’s what happens in all political parties, in the end, the members get to choose.

Paddyann

When Alex Salmond resigned over sexual misconduct allegations it was upto the SNP to replace him and Nicola Sturgeon took over.

When Tony Blair resigned the reigns were handed over to Gordon Brown as per Labour Party rules.

When Theresa May resigned the world and his dog cries shouts of wrong doing/undemocratic move/should be a General Election.

Why is passing the reigns in one political party deemed perfectly acceptable but not for the Conservative Party?

Yes wwmk2 66 million living here and 92000 get to make the decision ..welcome to democracy

fullfact.org/blog/2019/jul/boris-johnson-and-full-fact-brief-history-factchecking/?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=main_story

So true GGMK3 - he reflects my thoughts exactly and not in an aggressive way. Unfortunately the Brexiteers will just brush it off as hogwash.

My never voted anything but Conservative husband is sitting with his head in his hands right now.

It's probably the least aggressive but most purposeful article on remaining remainers I have read.

How the hell did the U.K. manage to vote in the worse possible candidate.

Dragonfly, you may feel this article by Matthew Parris ring a bell with your thinking.

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/07/we-remainers-arent-going-away/

I have liked him for years. I never dreamt he'd be PM but I was wrong. He is amusing, he has passion. He's got a personality. He is certainly not a bumbling buffoon. He was hugely successful as Mayor of London which is renowned for being left leaning. I think we're allowed to like who we like. Not everyone likes him and that is perfectly fine with me. And if my FB friends are outraged, I will allow them their outrage. That's what life is all about.

You may find this strange but I have been right wing all my life and voted Conservative. I feel privileged and extremely lucky but having lived in Europe for a number of years I am horrified at cutting all ties with the European Union. We really had our cake and ate it there. We were not part of the euro, not part of Schengen but we did have a vote in the European parliament. We were given privileges others members did not get and we made our own laws despite what people may think. Are we really giving all that up so we can kick out our European workers and retain 'our Sovereignty' whatever that means?

My British friends who live in Europe feel abandoned. I think it is sad that it is not going to be as easy for my children as it was for us to live there and move between countries.

I think it is sad that one referendum has caused so much bad feeling and unease in the country and stirred up emotions which were not there before.

We shall now just have to wait and see what happens.