Johnson’s Government

I should not have used the word "fanatics" because most of the people who advocate leaving are sensible posters, (on other subjects, at least!) but the way they line up behind this vote despite the evidence that it was reached via blatant manipulation of the facts and naked ambition for power by people who have been incompetent or worse in their elected positions as European MPs or municipal offices. What is more, this country has never been ruled by referendum, they are always advisory, and David Cameron had no right, unless it had been decided by a full Parliament, to promise that he would abide by the results of this one.

I personally take exception to being included as uncivil, patronising , and possibly showing sheer nastiness. I have tried to avoid all those attitudes.

I really am Less and have been for the last 3 years.
I didn’t imagine that GN would get like this after the referendum. I thought we would ( as a group) have a few grumbles but nothing like it has been.

dragonfly, you come across as anything but arrogant. A decent person who is concerned about the future.

This silly name calling serves no purpose at all.

Lemon, you are not one bit amazed are you really?

Elegran.....’leaving fanatics’ !
As opposed to ‘remain fanatics’ I suppose.
Actually just as many who voted to leave the EU ‘thought ahead’ too and voted for what we thought would be best for the UK.
You are entirely wrong in your thinking, as many people have come to the conclusion over the years that we would be better out of the EU, not just a handful of Tories and Nigel Farage.
I am amazed at the incivility, patronising tones, and (from some) sheer nastiness on the subject aimed at fellow GNers.

A little more thought would make leaving fanatics ask themselves why so many of us are very very worried about the future? Are we nervous types who are afraid a drop of rain will make us dissolve? We have survived decades of real life in circumstances that were not all filled with silver spoons and bottomless bank accounts. No, we are people with the capacity to THINK AHEAD. We thought ahead before the referendum, we studied reports by experts in their fields, and we came to the conclusion that we would be far better off staying in a successful association and using our influence to keep it successful and fair. Then a whole load of marketing manoeuvering went on with the aim of persuading voters to back the fantasies of a few ambitious would-be political movers and shakers.

We are not just worried about the economic future of our country. We are worried about the morality and probity of our leading citizens, and about the legal morass (swamp?) that allows a vote to stand which has been clearly shown to have been achieved by deviousness and barefaced false claims.

I am not at all arrogant Urmston just very very sad and worried about what is to come.

Can I put in a word here for those of us who don't belong to any strident groups but are polite, logical reasoning members of no group whatsoever but are certainly "getting very, very, worried that we may actually be leaving the EU pretty soon" and concerned that the leader expected to be at the helm of steering this crippled vessel with its quarrelsome crew and mutineering passengers through storm and tempest, fire and flood has no master's certificate, no detailed navigation plan, a history of falsifying the log book, and has had the lifeboats chopped up and fed into the boiler so as to give a good blaze to show his daring as an iconoclast.

The tragedy is that so many of the crew seem afraid to challenge him in case he won't let them sign up for the rest of the voyage.

No MPs are supposed to represent the people who voted them in and they were voted in on a mandate to deliver Brexit deal or no deal. That's democracy.

Seems like the strident leaver group on here are getting very, very worried that leaving the EU will not deliver the fantasy utopia they believe will be bestowed upon them, hence their clinging to the “we won, you lost, go away, get behind our dream” mantra. Note much evidence of politeness, let alone logic.

Strange that some put their faith in a proven incompetent liar to deliver the undeliverable fantasy. How people are supposed to “work together at making this country decent again” - means shut up and go away in your book.

Remainer Europe Minister Alan Duncan said the Brexit vote was a 'tantrum by the working class', bloody cheek I'm sick of these MPs who think they are better than the so called working classes who pay their wages. He's jumped ship now with Hammond, jumped before they were pushed, Urmstongran was right 'drain the swamp' it certainly needed draining. Now they are trying to bring down Boris before he has even been sworn in, disgusting behaviour by MPs who think they know better than their own constituents who voted them in.

Of course we have political cleansing that's what happens every time we have a general election is. That's democracy working.
What is not democratic is MPs being voted in saying they will do one thing then completely doing the opposite or even changing parties mid term.

I'll take that as a 'no' in answer to my question, then Ug?

Thank you lemon I do try to be polite.

Urmston the more vitriol being flung at you and any other Leave voter on GN means that the strident Remainer group is getting very, very, worried that we may actually be leaving the EU pretty soon and are taking it out here .....
I note the huge difference between your civil posts on this thread, and what they actually post.It’s fear talking!

Well, Ug, the Eu did say yes to most of his 'small demands'.

Do you know what he was asking for and what they said 'yes' to?

Ah yes, ,varian but remainers are dismissed as making things up or not possibly knowing what will happen. I wonder why only the Brexit voters were blessed with the intellect and ability to see the future? This gets more frightening by the day as the Orwellian fantasy trundles on.

I wonder how many times the EU has asked themselves this question " If only we had said yes to Cameron with his small demands" ......

When will they all put the knives away and work at making this country decent again?

Perhaps you'd like to tell us how that can be achieved, Ug? Particularly as the country appears to have lost its decency as a result of the Leave vote.

I’d turn that around varian as I think it’s the breathtaking arrogance of Remainers (who lost) and don’t think Brexit (as voted for by a majority remember) - should be enacted.

When will they all put the knives away and work at making this country decent again?

Such breathtaking arrogance of certain brexit fanatics who are constantly telling us what will happen- not what might happen or what they want to happen but what WILL happen. Incredible that in such uncertain times these brexit fanatics assume they know better than the rest of us!

Hear not here.

So rather than ethnic cleansing, (or perhaps as well as from what I hear from some Leavers), we now have political cleansing being praised by some on here.

What on earth will we here suggested next?

The turnout among young people aged 18 to 24 in the EU referendum was almost double the level that has been widely reported since polling day, according to evidence compiled at the London School of Economics.

The new findings – based on detailed polling conducted since the referendum by Opinium, and analysed by Michael Bruter, professor of political science and European politics at the LSE, and his colleague, Dr Sarah Harrison – suggests the turnout was 64% among this age group.

How can it be stated as fact that 64% of 18 to 25 year olds voted ?