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So it's Boris

(528 Posts)
mallows Tue 23-Jul-19 12:31:03

I know we knew this would happen but it didn't stop my heart sinking when it was confirmed. It's not even about party politics. It's about him. The country is in such a terrible position and the thought of him being the one trying to solve all the problems is farcical at best and utterly depressing.

lemongrove Wed 24-Jul-19 15:32:58

jura.....nobody knows what will happen.
A GE could usher in Corbyn and the UK’s first Marxist government ( what a prospect!) but equally, as Johnson is so popular, then it’s quite on the cards he coukd win with an increased majority.

jura2 Wed 24-Jul-19 15:30:03

Thank you Tilly, and don't worry about me- my personal situation or feelings are totally irrelevant in this very serious and dangerous state of affairs- but I do appreciate your support.

lemongrove Wed 24-Jul-19 15:29:16

Had I been able to vote, I would have chosen Hunt, although he is probably best left in his present post.

jura2 Wed 24-Jul-19 15:27:54

well, he will probably NOT be PM in 6 months ...

lemongrove Wed 24-Jul-19 15:27:24

The Foreign Sec deals with the Iran situation, not Johnson.

lemongrove Wed 24-Jul-19 15:25:50

I don’t think May was cut out for being PM either, and Corbyn sure as hell isn’t.However, we sometimes get inept PM’s along with the good ones..the world doesn’t end.
The Johnson topic needs to be revisited in six months.

Tillybelle Wed 24-Jul-19 15:23:59

jura2
I was deliberately keeping out, but I had to endorse your message of 11:13:16, and thank you for bringing our attention to what really is happening.

The issues in the world today are extremely serious.

They require the very best people to deal with them.

All Countries need the most level-headed and intelligent and ethical people as their Leaders and in Government.

We need such people at this time very urgently.

The ability to negotiate, keep the peace, understand the issues, quickly learn and keep abreast of the background of all the matters he has to address, to be respected and regarded as a man of poise and respectability, to act with propriety and poise in the most dangerous and sensitive of negotiations, are all essential elements required in our Prime Minister right now.

The dreadful fact is, Boris has none of these and the world knows this. He is a scurrilous and ignominious character, as his deeds and the words of his own mouth have blatantly shown.

We, in our Country, as Apricity, early on in our discussion so brilliantly described, are in great trouble right now.

The issues, to which Jura correctly turned our attention are: as she says (better still re-read her whole message)
"*what is happening at the moment with Iran* - the fact we do not have the naval capacity and power to keep our vessels, people and goods (including oil we need) - safe and have to go with begging bowl to Europe- and will be also dependent on Trump to help - and make us pay very heavily in exchange"
and she tells us:
"open your eyes- the situation requires the calmest, and clearest headed foreign policy - not Boris's 'jump first and think later' idiocy."

Thanks again Jura, and may I add how sorry I am that you were so hounded earlier. I know what it feels like when a people refuse to read what you actually write or to recognise the truth of what you say. I have dropped out of many Gnet discussions because of this.

Ramblingrose22 Wed 24-Jul-19 15:09:48

I don't think Boris is cut out to be a PM. Look what a mess he made of being Foreign Secretary - causing Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe to have her prison sentence lengthened because he never checked the details of what she was actually doing in Iran.

He has been used to using subordinates to do all the groundwork for him when he was Mayor of London and then taking all the credit for it.

He has wasted millions of London council taxpayers' money on his vanity projects. He is a stranger to telling the truth and hates being scrutinised and accountable.

Yes, he's entertaining but the blustering buffoon and the Tory Party members who voted for him are not representative of the electorate as a whole. this country. That requires good policies and planning.

Anyone can stand up and promise everything to everyone without a plan or explaining where all the money is coming from. He will find out soon enough that making promises is easy - being able to deliver them is another matter.

Firecracker123 Wed 24-Jul-19 15:08:15

Jura you feel for our Queen why in heavens name, do you know her personally, Boris might be a breath of fresh air instead of mealy mouthed May.

Doreen5 Wed 24-Jul-19 15:02:07

I wish Boris well. Not an easy job but at least he is upbeat and positive.

Aepgirl Wed 24-Jul-19 14:50:41

I wish him well, and hope he doesn’t face the bullying from other MPs that Theresa May had to endure. Oh, I forgot, they probably won’t bully a man!

Elegran Wed 24-Jul-19 14:48:33

No, Firecrcker, whatever Johnson's views on anything whatsoever, I would not expect him to be a good Prime Minister.

He would make a good contributor to HIGNFW, though the regular members would make mincemeat of him. All great entertainment - but negotiating ourselves out of (or back into) our EU contract and into contracts with other trading groups is not entertainment, it is deadly serious.

jura2 Wed 24-Jul-19 14:44:34

even Farage now says Boris's only choice is to ahve the guts of an early GE.

soop Wed 24-Jul-19 14:42:29

jura2 Thank you for putting things in perspective.

jura2 Wed 24-Jul-19 14:35:52

You may have known what YOU voted for- but No Deal is certainly, 100%, NOT what we were promised. We were promised a Great Deal, the easiest Deal in History - no-one, no-one ever, not even Johnson, ever mentioned No Deal during the campaign - NO ONE

jura2 Wed 24-Jul-19 14:33:53

I truly feel for HRH our Gracious Queen - she must be dreading the moment.

Nanniejc1 Wed 24-Jul-19 14:33:22

I agree Firecracker 100%........getting sick of all these ‘clever’ people telling me that I didn’t know what I voted for,sick of all the gloom & doom ......

jura2 Wed 24-Jul-19 14:33:06

no Firecracker - it is because he is incompetent, a dangerous fool and has NO public mandate- that is enough, surely.

Firecracker123 Wed 24-Jul-19 14:22:22

Theresa May was the worse PM in living history. Good riddance.

Firecracker123 Wed 24-Jul-19 14:19:10

All this name calling saying this and that about him is just a side show by remainers upset that we have a Brexiter as the PM. Sour grapes.

The likes of Hammond, Gauke, Duncan are all leaving before they are sacked.

soop Wed 24-Jul-19 14:14:15

Theresa May's final question time was, for those who appreciated her tireless effort to work a miracle in the face of insurmountable odds, good humoured and gracious.
As for what happens hereafter...

Firecracker123 Wed 24-Jul-19 14:13:25

All the Remainers hate Boris because they don't want to leave the EU, deal or no deal.

All the Leavers love him, me included, because he's planning to do just that leave the EU, deal or no deal.

Simples

maddyone Wed 24-Jul-19 14:07:23

Oh dear, there’s a lot of upset people on here today.

Margaux, thank you for your balanced post.

grammargran Wed 24-Jul-19 14:05:08

I am puzzled as to why anyone should think his speech was good, let alone ‘cracking’. I thought he stood up and had his usual shout ....

Margaux Wed 24-Jul-19 14:02:49

Some of the posters here have asked - why is Boris thought to be intelligent? And the answer is - at the very least - that he has done well enough academically to demonstrate intelligence. He won a scholarship to Eton and nearly got an Oxford first in classics- in spite of spending much of his time on other things like being President of the Oxford Union. Of course, it is not enough to be intelligent to be wise, to have good judgment or to succeed as a PM. And that is the test he now has to face.