Johnson and Brexit

Legally we only owe £7-9 billion to cover commitments we made in last pay round and pensions. The rest was May offering £32 billion for transition period. If EU do not remove backstop and give us a deal and we end up leaving with no deal on Oct 31st then we won't be buying an extended transition period. I also have a BA in Business Administration and have been Secretary and share holder to a sucessful business so not naive.

Yet again the spectre of not paying our debts is rising. When will people realise that this is a commitment, not a fine, not a penalty, it is the costs of ongoing projects which we signed up to as members, plus other costs such as Farage's pension; maybe Newnanny you would like to invite him to forgo this? Just how will this look to the other countries with which we hope to start trade deals? Let alone the costs and time spent grinding through the European courts as the EU go after the UK to pay their bills? I am offended that the charlatans in government think we will be happy with this, and alarmed that some people on here would be happy with this.

I worry newnanny, about your understanding of business, let alone of running a country. The meals you talk about were business over dinner. You make it sound like a social slur. I am certainly hope May was enough of a grown-up to understand she would not now be included. That's what we asked for.

I can see those who think at this level getting upset that the EU won't give us the deals with them that we want and need after we have left the organisation. Because we will have to restructure those deals and we won't get the favourable terms we have now. We won't get the favourable terms we want from the USA either. Both the USA and the EU are so much bigger than us on our own and big business does not give little businesses the best deal; they get the toughest one.

newnanny, where are you getting you information about sofa beds, etc., from? Are you really allowing yourself to be persuaded by the same source that we will be better of economically after crashing out - or even just leaving. If so you must be one of the few in this country who believes that.

I think history will be kinder to May than our current press has been but I'm not sure the fact that she took a nap on a sofa while waiting to catch a later plane when a meeting, in which she was the main speaker, ran over. Do you really think it's the EUs job to arrange a room for her - I would have though the fault, if fault the was, lay at our end.

Who is fooled by Johnson’s constant use of the term ”our European friends” , which manages to sound patronising and false. Cummings must have told him to use it frequently.

Brexiting with a deal strengthens our position in negotiations with new trading partners. Without one we run the risk of being seen as desperate.
The beggars can't be choosers attitude that the likes of Trump are sure to exploit. China already buying up more UK assets with the weak £, .We have trade treaties with over 80 countries as EU members ( including it will be impossible to replicate these overnight especially if we have to use WTO rules ( who voted for them?). But most of the wealth of the U.K. whilst an EU member has come from the financial sector, definitely alarm bells should be ringing as many firms are leaving London and moving to Paris, Frankfurt etc as our passporting rights to dealing throughout the EU and in euros go down the pan with a no deal Brexit. Still, the currency speculators will be doing well.

absthame I'm trying really hard to understand how people can be so gullible.

I don't think it will work like that. There are consequences when people try to walk away from debts.

The latest is that BJ has told EU if UK does not get a deal we will only pay legal obligation of between £7-9 billion so far less than £39 billion they hope for. If we leave with no deal we won't pay for transition period.

Oh growstuff, don't pour water on their illusions, else they will jump without chute .

Who said that's the plan

Where's your source that Theresa May wasn't allowed to eat with other countries?

I don't even know why Johnson's thumping the air. He didn't achieve anything. Merkel was polite to him and calm. That's just how she always is. She treated him like a naughty toddler and played an absolute blinder. She's played him like a fiddle. I don't think Johnson is that stupid (well, maybe he is), but it's laughable how the British press has spun this. Nobody else seems to have been taken in.

What is there to say about the deal with South Korea? It guarantees continuity after Brexit, so that the UK has the same deal it has in the EU. It's actually worth peanuts.

It won't bring investment to the UK because we'll be outside the European customs union, which is a far bigger market and is where countries such as South Korea want to trade.

If my understanding is correct, the continuity deal with South Korea is time-limited (two years?) to help smooth the transition after leavingthe EU, so will need to be renegotiated and doesn't give long term stability.

The UK will be in a no better position than it is inside the EU and has spent billions (so far) on Brexit. It doesn't really make any sense.

Am I the only one who sees Johnson's thumping the air, on his return as being reminecent of another little man returning from Munich after a different meeting with a chancellor and waving a piece of paper in the air.

It took a grown up politician, put in place by a stroppy parliamentary labour group, acting against the wishes of the majority of the much larger conservative party and the conservative press to sort out that disaster, let's hope the parliamentary labour party does something similar this time to sav our nation

Remainers have been a bit quiet following the announcement of the trade deal with South Korea. More trade deals to follow, no doubt. So yes, we can manage perfectly well without the shackles of the EU.

On her last trip to see EU Tetesa May was made to sleep on sofabed and on at least 2 occasions she was not allowed to eat with other contries. I can't see Boris putting up with that treatment.

I did not say "an exciting new opportunity" but just shows we can still have deal without the EU. We can also trade with contries EU does not have current trade deals with.

Watching the tv news tonight both sides are boxed in. But look at the body language!

Boris seems confident.

Tusk, looking across at him, looks pinched.

Also, Macron, who was speaking g in French earlier today with Boris, is now speaking in English now Trump is sitting with them!

Boris isn’t acting the fool either.

The difference with how the E.U. leaders treat him too compared to how they interacted with Mrs. May.

So not an “exciting new opportunity “.

The “trade deal” with South Korea is the same as the one we already have via the EU so nothing new.

@grannygavy13 I stated about a week ago I thought Boris should be given a fair chance to get a deal and stated I thought he had got off to a good start and many posters impied I was too naive. Teresa May was way out of her depth and a poor negotiator whereas Boris is firm and has a much stronger approach to Brexit, He has good advisors around him and I think he will get a deal but i think EU will leave it to last possible moment before agreeing as is their habit. Boris is doing a fab job and now we have trade deal with South Korea. I believe that is 18 now already to on Oct 31st even if we leave with no deal.

Thank you. I'll read it, but I still don't understand Firecracker's comment about chips on shoulders in relation to Attenborough's comments.

I'm not sure if this gives any enlightenment growstuff. It's dated the 18 July so current, I would have thought. I can't see any actual agreements, but I believe that it would be difficult for either side to actually agree until we are a third country but perhaps there is something they can prepare?

www.gov.uk/government/publications/international-agreements-if-the-uk-leaves-the-eu-without-a-deal/international-agreements-if-the-uk-leaves-the-eu-without-a-deal

Like GracesGran, I assume you mean the ones who voted to leave and now realise that people like Attenborough are right and they didn't realise what they were voting for.

Please could you explain your comment Firecracker because I honestly don't understand it?