Johnson and Brexit

With thanks to a poster on MN.

Report TheElementsSong Tue 20-Aug-19 08:18:37
Brexiteers just keep adding layers of often mutually contradictory narratives as events have unfolded. We could call it the “Six+ Impossible Things before Brexit” fairytale.

1. We know exactly what we voted for - It’s going to be super-easily achieved marvellous Sunlit Uplands with no downsides because They Need Us More Than We Need Them (BMWs/prosecco) and Don’t They Know Who We Are and we all just have to BeLeave to make it happen, and the EU is going to collapse when they see how we flourish effortlessly in glorious isolation.
2. We know exactly what we voted for - It would have been (1) if it wasn’t for the PunishmentBullying of the EU and the negative NotBeLeaving Project Fear Sabotage of the Traitorous Remoaners with foreign taint.
3. We know exactly what we voted for - We never said it was going to be easy but we’ll get to the Sunlit Uplands eventually and then it will be marvellous “short term pain for long term gain”.
4. We know exactly what we voted for - We always knew it would be hard and might be hard forever, but we voted to be poorer and for food rationing and medical shortages, hardship is worth it because Sovereignty and SomethingBlitzSpirit.
5. We know exactly what we voted for - But any reports of negative events are Fake News, because despite (3) and (4) nothing negative could happen because of Brexit (see 1); therefore even talking about preparing for food/medicine shortages is hysterical scaremongering treason by Traitorous Remoaners and no True Patriot would save even a grain of rice.
6. We know exactly what we voted for - Pretend we didn’t say (1) and (5) - As we’ve said all along, preparing for food/medicine shortages is what any sensible True Patriot would do because stockpiling is Comforting, and will show the BullyingEU Who We Are and they won’t notice that They Don’t Need Us More Than We Need Them.
7. Feel free to add more layers as they come.

Worse for wear? Lol! I wonder what you're implying.

FYI I'm teetotal and don't do drugs.

Nah! Just cross with the stuff you carry on posting despite any evidence to the contrary.

Well suzied Boris also resigned from the Cabinet because of the same reason and he’s not ‘thick as mince’!

Why do some posters resort to personal attacks? It’s not big and it’s not clever.

Play the ball, not the man!!

ug pot and kettle?

Abusing a politician is not a 'personal attack' it's our national game However, insinuating that a poster is writing under the influence of some stimulant sounds very like a personal attack.

It’s not big and it’s not clever.

Oh do stop the it with the sanctimony...it's so boring

Snap, Ww!

growstuff: We keep hearing about the democratic damage from not delivering Brexit.

Yes, and I find this very puzzling. ”We must leave the EU on the 31 October”. Why? Is it an Act of God? The word democracy has been abused over the last three years, now it means whatever it takes as long as we can deliver Brexit. What we have learnt during those three years is that Brexit could not possible be the ”piece of cake” we were offered. Damage will be inflicted on our nation – but never mind, it is only damage inflicted in the name of Democracy.

According to Johnson, there are now going to be a "few bumps in the road". From cake to bumps to what?

Well a few bumps have been outlined by Johnson in the report by the government, these include.

Ports grinding to a halt for months and only ever getting back to 50% of current usage.
Diabetics and children suffering from cancer not guaranteed their drugs
No chemicals for water purification
Fresh food shortages
Food riots
Sterling plunging
Bank disruption
Two refineries possible forced to close
Civil unrest in Ireland
Care homes closing

Just a few of the sort of things the government is aware it will cause in the event if a no deal.

I bet that report is classified, and not available for general viewing!

Well that's a worst case scenario Whitewavemark2 obviously. The best case scenario, or rather the most likely scenario, is..errr...umm...well, obviously no-one really knows but it's definitely not going to be that, and anyway, Boris is planning for all eventualities (although we haven't seen the plans, granted) so it will all be fine and you need to stop scaremongering/being hysterical.

Or words to that effect.

I suppose MaizieD my comment was after a poster wrote of my (perfectly valid) opinion Anyway, while you're ranting away with your nonsense

What are we supposed to do after such a mean put down? Just accept that Remain voters on here are SO superior?

It’s tiresome.

the government is aware it will cause

‘might’ more likely.

Honestly I can’t be only one who will be curious to look back over these threads in 12 months’time - hopefully with a wry smile at the apocalyptic predictions.
?

Hopefully being the operative word - although we really shouldn't have to 'hope' that something of such cataclysmic proportions doesn't happen, should we.

In regard to your post @10:54 today, it is not a case of "what the Government might cause." It is a case of what this government will cause as that awful information was in the leaked government documents to the press on Sunday which gave details of the chaos a no-deal Brexit will bring about.

Apologies, the above post was to Urmstongran.

I trust that all leave voters will “own” the chaos about to ensue.

Because I won’t. I never voted for it, will never vote for it and will never own it.

Day6 Are you seriously suggesting that your Remainer friends are worried about the future?

Oh c’mon Grandad1943
Progress is being made, money spent to mitigate as much as possible, as we speak.

‘Yellowhammer’ although released on 1 August was drawn up mid July - under the auspices of Theresa May and her Chancellor who refused to spend money on a No Deal exit.

How times will change under Boris and his ‘Leaver’ team.

Watch & wait.

And accusing somebody of being drunk when posting isn't a mean put down?

The truth is that you had no answer to what I'd posted, so you had to resort to a snide comment.

Please do stop pretending to be a victim.

Elegran, I managed to find a copy of the original report and copied it, but I don't know whether I can link to it directly.

It's written in typical civil service factual and definitely unhysterical language.

Let's just get bloody well on with it! (Fri 26-Jul-19 09:44:26)

No, let's not. Let's revoke Article 50, put some Citizen's Assemblies in place so we know all the ins and outs and then vote for remain or a "Leave" that has been worked out and agreed.

Is that the same Yellowhammer that would have been well known to Boris et al and to which no solutions have yet been identified?

I’m intrigued - what’s been done to mitigate these disasters?

Ah well! Michael Gove reckons a lot has been done in the last three weeks, but he can't actually say, because it's - er - secret. NDAs have been issued, so that even stake-holders, such as haulage companies and pharma suppliers aren't allowed to know what's going on and aren't supposed to tell each other what they do know.

This is a snippet:

When the UK ceases to be a member of the European Union in October 2019, all rights and reciprocal arrangements with the EU end.

● The UK reverts fully to “third country” status. The relationship between the UK and the European Union as a whole is unsympathetic, with many member states (under pressure from the European Commission) unwilling to engage bilaterally and implementing protections unilaterally, though some member states may be more understanding.

● No bilateral deals have been concluded with individual member states, with the exception of the reciprocal agreement on social security co-ordination with the Republic of Ireland. EU citizens living in the UK can retain broadly all rights and status that they were entitled before the UK’s exit from the EU, at the point of exit.

● Public and business readiness for no-deal will remain at a low level, and will decrease to lower levels, because the absence of a clear decision on the form of EU Exit (customs union, no deal etc) does not provide a concrete situation for third parties to prepare for. Readiness will be further limited by increasing EU Exit fatigue caused by the second extension of article 50.

This was written just three weeks ago. How much do you think has changed since then? Are the public and small businesses any more aware and ready than they were three weeks ago?