US Beef

Overall, more people with access to healthcare and are financially secure live longer than those with less- But there is no proof they live to be 100 and over more often than those with less-

More people have considerably less than the percentage of wealthiest in the US- Which lives to be 100 or more? The wealthier, or those with less?

That's the question-

RoseCarmel, poor people who are homeless, can't afford surgical operations, abortions, contraception, false teeth, hot showers , or are long- term unemployed, probably don't live as long as richer people who can buy what they need and don't worry about the future.

Well, some people might think so. I know I don't, but I'd still rather trust EU meat not to be full of antibiotics and growth hormone, as US beef is.

By the way, I've read that there are various factors involved in susceptibility to being bitten by mosquitoes. Chief suspect is secretion of uric acid in sweat; another one is higher body temperature.

I meant to say more poor to average live to be 100!

rosecarmel I don't know if that is true in the USA, but not here in the UK or necessarily anywhere else in the world:

Published in the Lancet Public Health journal on Thursday, the study revealed that the life expectancy between the most affluent men in the UK and the most deprived is now 9.7 years, and the difference between women is 7.6 years. This means wealthy British men and women are living on average a decade longer than those less well-off.
www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/health/can-money-make-you-live-longer-a3998176.html

I do not want to trade with US any more than we do already
I take it that anyone who thinks that EU produce is all ethically produced by farmers who care for their workers and the environment did not see the Simon Reeve programme featuring Spanish farms.

Pantglas I don't eat a lot of sweet stuff although I do eat fruit. I've tried Marmite, garlic capsules, yeast tablets - anything! - but still get bitten.
I think it depends on your blood type.

You cannot seriously believe that all diabetics are fat?
That is not true at all. My slim friend, healthy eater, doesn't drink much alcohol, never smoked, has just been diagnosed with diabetes.

Thank the lord I don’t eat beef I wouldn’t buy any food from US I eat very little meat a bit of chicken every once in a while and that is uk chickens I wouldn’t touch US chicken-
again I rarely eat fish although I would not say absolutely never just very occasionally
I am seriously going to grow more veg in my garden and my recently acquired shared allotment and my veg can be misshapen, they can be small they can be basic but that’s my plan
I do not want to trade with US any more than we do already

I wasn't going to bring the outbreak up but it did happened even with safeguards in place.. The U.S. had a ban in place for 15 years, which was lifted in 2014 ..

I for one won't be buying it. Home produced for me.

bradfordlass I broadly agree with you on the question of diabetes. My DH's family have a history of pancreatic disease: cancer and diabetes, which have affected members of the family whether they were overweight or not. DH is overweight, did have Type 2 diabetes for a couple of years, but it has now disappeared. His blood sugars are consistently low, he does not need to regulate his diet and hasn't been on medication for several years. But DGS, who has been underweight for most of his 9 years, is currently being investigated for possible, Type 1 diabetes. We have a friend, always as thin as a rail who has had Type 2 diabetes since his 40s.

The problem with BSE was that rules and safeguards can only be based on known risks. Scrapie, a BSE type disease, was known in sheep but there was no evidence of it ever being passed on to other animals. BSE arose when processed animal protein fed to cattle, passed a scrapie like disease to cattle. Presumable a processed product could do what normal species to species transmission could not. This was not a risk that could have been foreseen when the rules were drawn up.

BSE comes under the heading unintended and unforeseeable consequences.

Davidhs

I was taking your information as valid until you wrote this nonsense.

eat too much food, take too little exercise, become fat and lazy, you are a prime candidate for diabetes

Then I began to wonder if everything else you'd written was similarly uninformed.

You cannot seriously believe that all diabetics are fat?

And I find it extremely offensive to read 'fat and lazy' as if the two are inseparably linked.

Nor has it ever been proven that being lazy causes diabetes - in people of any size.

If you have the diabetes gene you are at risk of developing diabetes.
If you don't carry that gene you will not develop the disease whatever your size, shape or proclivities.

People develop diabetes for a number of reasons and in older people it is often simply that their pancreas, like other organs is not working to peak efficiency.

Diabetes can be triggered by severe and repeated dieting.

Yes, it can also be triggered by unwise life-style choices, including consistently more sugar and carbs than the pancreas can handle - but you do not have to be fat (or obese if you prefer the buzz word) for that to happen.

I don't eat beef and very, very rarely other meats. I am, if you need a label, a pescatarian and even then the percentage of fish in my diet is probably less than 1%.

But I don't agree everyone should become meat free. Each to her/his own.

As for all these rules and safeguards. I am sure there were safeguards in place prior to the BSE outbreak; they didn't prevent that horror did they?

I agree NfkDumpling, I’ve previously posted that I would prefer to eat 6oz of good meat from a good butcher than 12oz from who knows where.

I agree with MOnica. And our local butchers are very competitive with our local Tesco. The meat is local, tasty, good quality and goes further than cheap supermarket meat. It doesn’t need additional sauces to give it flavour. I know we’re lucky to live in Norfolk and it’s probably more of a problem in large cities.

As a vegetarian (almost vegan) for 50 odd years, I see farming of animals as a form of modern-day slavery and abuse. People still enjoy consuming (unnecessary) meat and milk produced by pain and suffering.

USA standards of 'animal welfare' are very low so there should be great concern about encouraging increased production with EU consumption.

Please read this before you tuck into your next 'nice juicy steak':

www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/factory-farming/cows/beef-industry/

I meant to say more poor to average live to be 100!

I've never tried marmite but would if given the opportunity ..

Alexa, nowhere could I find proof that average to poor people live longer than wealthy people do, but it appears to be true- Making due perhaps has its perks .. !

I heard something interesting the other day. Apparently the USA may ban the import of Scottish salmon from 2022 because salmon farmers shoot seals which threaten their industry.

The way we produce our food is not always perfect either.
I think it was on Countryfile that I heard this.

Monica, only well off people can eat the sort of meat you describe.

The earliest humans were hunter gatherers. Our digestion is adapted so that we can eat almost anything - omnivores. I intend to remain an omnivore.

I do not see animals as commodities. I see animals as being one of a humans natural food sources. They should be culled from the wild, or, if domesticated, given a life better than they would have in the wild: have access to adequate food and water all year round, and land and resources to provide the means of living in their normal fashion, given medicalcare if ill and in giving birth. Then a short sharp end.

That is why I only eat organic or near organic meat from local suppliers who either rear it themselves or source their meat from local known farmers. I also avoid eating meat when eating out unless I know its provenance.

In France my local butcher has a notice on his wall telling me which local farmer on what farm reared the animal he is currently selling.

Our food choices certainly need to move towards a more sustainable diet, but this can include meat.

Is there any hope that man will stop regarding other animals as commodities?

I think there is a hope that a powerful educational campaign aimed at how to use and cook grains. leaves, fruits, and legumes will turn the tide.

Unless we all eat sustainable food (and that very soon) there will be political regimes of survival of the strongest, where the poor will be the first group to be dispensable commodities.

That’s interesting rosecarmel because my husband will get bitten every time - on the beach, in bed, wherever we are, abroad or at home.

They don’t like me and I put it down to the fact I don’t eat sweet stuff - sweets, cakes, biscuits, puddings & chocolates and he has a sweet tooth, although he’s restricted himself over the years due to my nagging! Give me marmite, nuts etc every time and they leave me alone.

rosecarmel no one is suggesting that grass-reared or organic meat is pure, (whatever that may mean) but that it is much more environmentally sustainable than intensive industrialised rearing of cattle on every count. I have also have strong concerns about the animal welfare issues involved in industrialy reared cattle.

I am also allergic to pennicillin and have other drug allergies. I want my medication to prescribed for me on a personal basis by my GP and do not want to imbibe antibiotics indiscriminately as a side order of the meat I eat.

and those individuals who are weakened by illness find themselves having multiple infections that are no longer treated by antibiotics.

MawB I agree. Moreover most of our antibiotics are useless now for curing our infectious diseases. Antibiotics have been put into meat animals , thus making their bacteria resistant to heaven-sent antibiotics.

Maw, I'm taking it all into consideration- But agree there is a huge difference between animals raised with great care and mass produced-

The overuse of antibiotics has proved harmful, and Candida is rampant- Livestock and human- I've first hand experience! I've been bitten by ticks and become sick twice- The first round of antibiotics, 3 weeks worth, took a bit of work to recover from- The second encounter I was prescribed a different antibiotic and took it for less time-

I'm a magnet .. Ticks, spiders, mosquitos - I get massacred-