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sodapop Sun 04-Aug-19 08:34:26

Another mass shooting in El Paso, twenty people reported killed. There is some question of the Hispanic community being targeted. Is Donald Trump stirring up racial hatred in the US.
Another unconfirmed shooting in Ohio.

B9exchange Sun 04-Aug-19 08:59:22

From the shooter's postings online, he says his views (racist and antisemitic) predate Donald Trump's arrival, so not everything can be laid at his door, tempting though it might be. The anti terrorist squad are handling it, though it does sound to be more racist than terrorist.

There will be a further appeal for it to be made harder for young people to just go and buy a gun that should never be possessed by anyone other than the army. And I fear the powerful NRA, who are Trump supporters, will prevent any such action.

EllanVannin Sun 04-Aug-19 08:59:22

So do you have a gun for protection from these mad people ?

Nothing to do with Trump. There have always been mass shootings in America, regardless of who was/is in power. Usually caused by some idiot who has a grudge.

BlueBelle Sun 04-Aug-19 09:11:42

Although not everything can be laid at Trumps door B9 if you have those leanings AND THEN a leader endorses them that is then on Trumps shoulders So although his views predate Trumps arrival something has changed to rev it up to happen now and not when his feelings were first recognised by himself
Of course ‘this’ mass killing may well be to do with Trump ellan he has given a voice to white supremacists
Absolutely brutal situation Guns are the spawn of the devil

Elegran Sun 04-Aug-19 09:12:23

Some idiot with a combination of a grudge, a gun and a sense of being entitled to use it to carry out his personal grievances. That last factor was NOT included in the amendment promoting the arming of a responsible militia so as to defend freedom.

sodapop Sun 04-Aug-19 09:54:32

I did read that the NRA were losing some money and power. Not sure how true that is though.
It does seem that the USA response to these shootings is to have more guns to protect themselves. Somehow that cycle has to stop.

BlueBelle Sun 04-Aug-19 10:02:51

Well at least two idiots elegran as there is a second mass shooting with 9 or 10 dead in Ohio over the same period
Unbelievable that the answer is to carry more guns, the countries as mad as its president

Elegran Sun 04-Aug-19 10:34:08

There seem to be a lot of that kind of idiot around. The standard response to the idiocy is for even more to join them, all of them armed to the teeth ready to be quick on the the draw. Save time by getting your retaliation in first!

SueDonim Sun 04-Aug-19 11:46:59

As I understand it, Texas has an Open Carry rule, which means anyone can be armed anywhere, for defence purposes. As far as I can see from the news reports, not one armed person tried to take down the gunman in this case, which makes me wonder what the point of open carry is.

Luckygirl Sun 04-Aug-19 12:03:09

It is shocking. And the statistics show that gun ownership is also high in Canada.

I see no way that this habit/"right" of US citizens to carry arms is going to be changed. Obama tried and failed and saw it as one of the major failures of his tenure as president.

lemongrove Sun 04-Aug-19 12:15:39

Yes, it does SueDonim ( arms carried openly in Texas)
Last year a toddler in a supermarket there shot his own Mother dead ( playing with her gun, sat in the trolley.)
Mass shootings have always happened in the US and always will do until such time as guns are banned with a few exceptions such as farmers.
We even had a few here didn’t we, not all that long ago.

JenniferEccles Sun 04-Aug-19 12:22:34

Is it any worse than the dreadful stabbings which we have here especially in London?

Both need to be tackled but at least we have got a tough sounding Home Secretary in Prity Patel so there is hope here.

I liked her comment about wanting criminals to feel terror.

paddyann Sun 04-Aug-19 12:32:41

As far as I'm aware there have been no mass shootings in Scotland since the Dunblane massacre of innocent children.Air guns even have restrictions on them after a toddler was killed by one in a city street .Of course you get the "its not the gun thats the killer its the person using it" brigade but taking guns out of the mix does stop these awful events happening .
We've made great strides in knife crime here too .There wasn't a single death from a knife crime in Glasgow in 2017 .2018 figures not available yet .Now we need to sort the drug deaths which are preventable with the right action.If only Wm would agree to us implementing our plans ..or letting us run our own country our way!!

suziewoozie Sun 04-Aug-19 13:22:07

Not idiots - that word does not carry sufficient gravitas. Evil bastards would do for me.

Pantglas1 Sun 04-Aug-19 13:34:13

Correct suziewoozie - ‘idiot’ suggests unknowing. They knew exactly what the were doing and cared little.

maddyone Sun 04-Aug-19 13:34:20

The problem is not Donald Trump, the problem is the easy access and ownership of guns.
Mass shootings is America predate Donald Trump by donkeys years.
If anyone wants to blame presidents, they should ask what ANY president in America has actually done to rectify this. Obama, Bush, Bush Junior, Clinton, Reagan, et al, NONE of them have tried to rectify this.

growstuff Sun 04-Aug-19 13:58:17

JenniferEccles, How do you think Priti Patel will tackle knife crime, apart from sounding threatening? Really interested.

Elegran Sun 04-Aug-19 14:40:35

Some have tried, Maddyone but the gun lobby is very powerful in the US. Behind them are decades of gun-owners believing that they were the inheritors of the rootin' tootin' shooters who tamed the Wild West.

RosieLeah Sun 04-Aug-19 14:57:56

Don't blame Mr Trump. He isn't responsible for someone losing their sanity. A person would have to be over-flowing with hatred and anger to walk into a supermarket, or church, and kill innocent people.
Remember that song by Bob Geldoff...'I hate Mondays', written after a girl gave that as her excuse for killing her class-mates.

There are simply a lot of crazy people in the world who blame others for their problems. After the police check up on this gunman, they will probably find he has been threatening to do something like this for a while. Nothing to do with race.

Elegran Sun 04-Aug-19 15:27:46

Many people have less than loving feelings toward their fellow men/women, whatever their race, sex, religion, or political views. They don't need to be insane to be so overwhelmed by their hatred that they wish there were some way to rid the world of these (to them) wicked individuals - even a whole classroom or dance hall full of them. In all countries except the US of A, there are such controls on the possesion of lethal firearms that an impulse such as that is unlikely to be acted on. The international statistics on mass shootings are hair-raising.

President Trump is not trying to exert that control in the US, or even to encourage his citizens to live together peacably with people of those different races/religions,etc.. He may not be directly to blame, but his example helps to fan the flames of intolerance.

Greta Sun 04-Aug-19 15:32:44

Quote: Is it any worse than the dreadful stabbings which we have here especially in London?
Both need to be tackled but at least we have got a tough sounding Home Secretary in Prity Patel so there is hope here.
I liked her comment about wanting criminals to feel terror. End quote

Let's see how much hope we can attach to Priti Patel's soundbite. Will it materialise in a message on a bus similar to the one the government delivered on a van ”In the UK illegally? Go home or face arrest.” This was an attempt to persuade illegal immigrants to return home. I believe one did. I have a feeling the campaign was short lived.

We now seem to be concentrating on legal EU nationals and making them jump through a few hoops in order to be able to remain.

Elegran Sun 04-Aug-19 15:37:49

School shoting in the US versus in other industrialised nations - The US has had 57 times as many school shootings as the other major industrialized nations combined in the period January 1, 2009 to May 21, 2018..

BlueBelle Sun 04-Aug-19 15:51:05

Jennifer Eccles of course is loads worse (what on earth are you thinking of) than our knife crime to start with we are trying to address it here in UK in US they are not We are NOT saying everybody has the right to carry a knife and use it if needed
A knife will normally kill one person rarely two, a gun can kill multiply people and injure more
The granddad who fired from a hotel room at a music concert crowd killed dozens, likewise today 20 in one and 9 in another it is most often numbers in double figures
There is NO comparison

SpringyChicken Sun 04-Aug-19 16:11:18

Just received an email from my American friend in Florida. She says “it wasn’t on the front page today. It is so common now, it is no longer breaking news”.

Day6 Sun 04-Aug-19 16:27:12

And I fear the powerful NRA, who are Trump supporters, will prevent any such action.

This is the time for Trump to stand up and be counted.

I know a few mild-mannered Americans who posses guns - in the house 'for protection' and they value their right to have them. Their sons have been taught, on official ranges, to shoot too.

However, now is the time for Trump to ban the sale of arms and have every single American who has a gun to register the fact. That would be a massive under-taking but from today Trump should be able to say we will become a country that doesn't use guns, sell guns and only military forces (and the police) will be armed.

I suspect most gun-owning Americans are peaceful and just as concerned as we are about random shootings. If any idiot full of evil and prejudice can get hold of a gun and kill citizens then there has to be massive concern in America that they must severely limit the chances of this happening again.

However, we must be aware that anywhere in the world, someone intent on killing and maiming could find ways to do it. There have been shootings in the UK. It's like knife crime. Youngsters are told if they carry knives, the chances are they will use them in any confrontation. The same applies to guns or any weapon. There are those who deal in the smuggling of guns. There are those with minds intent on retribution or the killing of people they don't like.

How do you wipe out the gun trade as well as flushing out those who have no qualms about murdering innocent citizens? I am not sure 'education' is enough.