If we leave without a deal what will happen to the supply of food in the UK

WOODMOUSE,

The reason is that there are likely to be delays at Dover and other ports while customs checks are carried out. Even the government acknowledges that, which is one of the reasons over £2bn has been allocated for extra staff, shipping and warehousing. Heaven knows where they're going to find 5,000 staff at such notice, but ho hum! Remember the contract that was awarded to a company without ships? :-(

Insulin is mentioned so often because it needs to be refrigerated and we just don't have the capacity to stockpile. I understand there are similar problems with radio isotopes for cancer treatment.

It really doesn't take much to disrupt the fresh food supply. Remember the Iceland volcano? At least that was only temporary.

It's all very well saying people should grow their own food, but it's not efficient to grow some foodstuffs in the UK, we don't have the land, it takes to cultivate and we're not going to have the people to work in the fields.

But - hey - Dominic Raab didn't even realise that Dover is so important! You really couldn't make it up!

The EU has been producing plans for ages - even the UK government has now realised it needs to make plans.

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But we didn't CHOOSE to go to war.

PS. There were plenty of people who didn't survive both wars. Why oh why would anybody half sane want to impose war-time conditions on the country?

There's nothing noble about having to "get on with it".

"Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori" (not!)

So long as you keep reading your newspapers and the propaganda that emanates from them ... (Mon 05-Aug-19 14:13:04)

Do you have any idea what The Lancet is EllanVannin? Just to give you an idea here are three recent papers it's published.

Developments in high-throughput microbial genomic sequencing and other systems biology techniques have given novel insight into the potential contribution of the gut microbiota to health and disease.

Intrahepatic cholestasis of pregnancy, characterised by maternal pruritus and increased serum bile acid concentrations, is associated with increased rates of stillbirth, preterm birth, and neonatal unit admission. Ursodeoxycholic acid is widely used as a treatment without an adequate evidence base.

Atrial fibrillation is frequently asymptomatic and thus under detected but is associated with stroke, heart failure, and death. Existing screening methods require prolonged monitoring and are limited by cost and low yield.

These are the authors of the paper I have been quoting (paper, in this case, is the name given to a piece of academic research, not something akin to the Daily Mail).

Nick Fahy, DPhil
Tamara Hervey, PhD
Scott Greer, PhD
Holly Jarman, PhD
David Stuckler, PhD
Mike Galsworthy, PhD
Prof Martin McKee, DSc

It would really take someone of very little knowledge to compare this to newspapers that emanate propaganda. All papers submitted to the Lancet are peer-reviewed. That is they are read, scrutinised and reviewed by scholars of equal or greater eminence.

It would be nice, occasionally, if Brexiters admitted they don't know what they are talking about but they are going to go for it anyway - whoever it damages in the process.

The Lancet is a very conservative medical magazine- much more so in so many ways than the BMJ.

However, please could you explain how you can be so sure that 'who I know will receive any form of treatment should the need arise.' Do they live abroad perhaps? Even very expensive private healthcare (that my DDs and GCs have) cannot ensure that.

We will hopefully get back to eating with the seasons and becoming a nation of slim and heathy people. Got to be good. (Mon 05-Aug-19 13:42:44)

There speaks an expert! Craftyone I put on quite a bit of weight which I have now lost. It was not through over-eating but through two conditions now kept in order by the very medication you don't seem to care whether people get or not.

Just how inane can the Brexiters comments get? Why not be honest. You don't care who lives or dies, what actually happens to our economy or standard of living, just as long as you get what you want.

All I can see from where I'm sitting are empty vessels ! Those who create and shout the loudest aren't always right you know and however much you pontificate on how " bad things are going to be " nobody will take a blind bit of notice.
We're not a 3rd world country and nobody is going to go without.
So long as you keep reading your newspapers and the propaganda that emanates from them then you're on your own, as some sections of the media revel in propaganda.

I'll believe all this " fake news " when I see it happen.

WOODMOUSE49 Mon 05-Aug-19 13:34:44

No one said there would be no fresh food.

If you are prepared to PM me an email address I will send you a PDF copy of the report.

I think that any one who is not worried doesn't care to read the detail. This article is from the Lancet. Hardly given to scare mongering.

I have GGC who I know will receive any form of treatment should the need arise. (Mon 05-Aug-19 13:43:10)

How do you know that EllanVannin? Are you intending to move country? Or are you so incredibly rich that you will buy what you need on the black market? If it isn't there your GGC will not be able to have it will they.

I gather you weren't around when food was rationed. (Mon 05-Aug-19 13:25:12)

We were at war when food was rationed. We didn't vote for our convoys to be attacked and for half our population to be fighting elsewhere. What world are you living in? Were you an older adult at that time?

We have built up these amazing trade treaties and you want to destroy them. Destroying them means we will not have the benefit of them. Things will stop working the way they have. How on earth do you think sick, ill and elderly or very young people can counter that?

Are you seriously suggesting that we would drop out, refuse to pay our bills and all would continue as it has for the past 40 years?

growstuff
Nothing attractive about wars both one and two. We had to get on with it, and, get on with it we did.

EllanV 'who I know will receive any form of treatment should the need arise.'

please could you share your magic formula.

Actually mine will too - if necessary they will just come and live with us here- as they have dual nationality. They also have very expensive private health care in the UK. But I would never ever dream of making the callous, horrible comments you made. Vile.

You really don't understand do you EllanV. Who has told you stocks are high? Where are you getting your information from and why do you think this source - or you - know more than those whose job it is to know.

You are not "getting on with it"! You are not making drugs in your kitchen and there is a limit to what fruit and vegetables you can grow. If the source of what we get dries up why do you think you will be first in the queue?

The systems that bring most of these items into the country has taken 40 years to make it work as smoothly as it does. If we drop out with no deal overnight that will stop. Just how do those who need these drugs "get on with it" if they are not there? Just how can we eat healthily if the food is either not coming in or is an exorbitant price.

How do you think people will feel about those who have put us in this position? Unlike you, the government obviously knows this could happen as the are preparing for civil unrest.

I cannot work out how you process information. It seems to me you are prepared to ignore anything you don't want to know about.

____my GC are grown adults. I have GGC who I know will receive any form of treatment should the need arise.

We will hopefully get back to eating with the seasons and becoming a nation of slim and heathy people. Got to be good

Why so militant ?? I was just stating a fact that there'll be no shortage of anything.

I didn't say we'd be subjected to rationing ( rolls eyes )

Can someone tell me in a few words (couple of sentences) why we won't be able to get insulin etc. I read comments here over my lunch break and a bit in the evenings so have got the time to read an excessive amount.

Also a lack of fresh food seems an exaggerated statement. NO fresh food - really! Diets resulting in cv disease are diets that have higher calorie foods, such as meat, cheese and snack foods. Even if we import no fresh food at all, there will be some grown / produced in UK. I'm 69 and have lived in 4 different counties and there's always been markets selling UK food.

Back to lunch. Will catch up on the short replies to my comments later. No doubt someone will lambast me.

I promised myself I would read or contribute to anymore BREXIT postings. I've lasted about a week.

Why would anybody in their right mind choose to be subjected to food rationing?

What is it about WW2 which seems so attractive to some people?

Of course I wasn't Ellenvannin what a silly comment.

So grandchildren who need medical treatment for severe life-threatening conditions are just 'pampered snowflakes' - you are beyond the beyond here!

I gather you weren't around when food was rationed.

Carry on with your herd mentality !

No maybe about it :-(

If medication stocks are high, why is the government highlighting that there could be an issue and spending money on trying to mitigate problems?