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People still think EU nstionals are being treated fairly in the UK?

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notanan2 Mon 05-Aug-19 12:20:33

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/aug/05/surge-in-eu-citizens-unfairly-refused-access-to-universal-credit

lemongrove Sat 07-Sept-19 17:22:12

GG13.... some posters just don’t want to listen about things that go right, do they?

lemongrove Sat 07-Sept-19 17:19:14

All EU citizens who have either lost their own documents in some way, or bureaucracy has, will need to be patient ( trying though that is) because it will be sorted out.
Tell me when there ever was a case of things going smoothly
For everybody where documents are concerned.
At least the UK is doing something for EU people living here,
We have no idea what’s going on in all the EU countries for our own citizens.

EnglishRose Sat 07-Sept-19 17:14:16

OH YES, Lemon.....so true. And can someone kindly answer Lemon's question "what is happening for British Citizens living in EU countries?"

lemongrove Sat 07-Sept-19 17:09:17

The vast majority of cases have been handled well according to figures, some EU citizens have not given the right documents and some others have been subject to what usually happens, bureaucratic delay etc.
What is happening for British citizens living in EU countries I wonder?
Even if (if!) they are given rights to stay, there will be admin mistakes for some, just as here.
Remainers are using this issue as yet another thing to moan about.

MaizieD Sat 07-Sept-19 17:01:26

I have never denied that some people are having difficulties, just pointed out that some are not.

The point is, GG13 that NO-ONE should be having difficulties. The fact that 'some aren't' is good enough.

It would be appreciated if Leavers would express some concern (contrition would be too much to ask for) about the awful position some EU nationals in the UK are finding themselves. Did you read the thread I posted the link to? At least one EU national has committed suicide because of worry over their post Brexit status.

But all they do is try to avoid acknowledging the harm their vote has done by telling us that 'some people' have manged to register OK. hmm

varian Sat 07-Sept-19 15:31:07

A beautiful dream destroyed': Britons in EU on no-deal Brexit-

British citizens living in EU27 nations tell of feeling abandoned as a no-deal exit looms on horizon

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/07/britons-in-eu-no-deal-brexit

GrannyGravy13 Sat 07-Sept-19 15:07:58

Jura2 I have never denied that some people are having difficulties, just pointed out that some are not.

Pantglas1 Sat 07-Sept-19 15:07:40

I read your posts on this thread jura2 and struggle to reconcile your caring thoughts with some of your posts on another thread which has just reared its ugly head again. Which is the real jura2?

jura2 Sat 07-Sept-19 15:01:54

Yes GG3 some have managed to do so successfully - mostly people who are currently in work and house owners, etc.

But to deny that there are many genuine cases where application has been turned down- leaving individuals and families in dire and tragic situations IS callous and very uncaring, for sure.

jura2 Sat 07-Sept-19 14:59:53

So fear for one of my best friends, arrived aged 55, married and now widowed from a Brit, living in a Council bungalow (the one she shared with her British OH, who lived there many years before she arrived) - now with severe oseoporosis and 2 non-mending broken femurs.

Left school at 14, and yet very bright in so many ways, and very creative. Does not have a mobile phone or a computer- 80 next year- and nothing to go back to. Thank goodness she has good friends there to help her- but it so worries me.

jura2 Sat 07-Sept-19 14:57:09

In this case, this is about a wife and mother of British citizens, who arrived at the age of 2. She stayed at home to look after her kids, worked for several years in NHS who now say they have lost her records- bills, house ownership, etc, in husband's name, and never ever claimed benefits.

GrannyGravy13 Sat 07-Sept-19 14:33:35

MaizieD my response was factual not "pathetic".

I am neither callous nor idiotic, but if it makes you feel better by calling people names, so be it.

MaizieD Sat 07-Sept-19 13:47:48

And your pathetic response just makes me even more angry at the sheer idiocy and callousness of Leave voters

MaizieD Sat 07-Sept-19 13:46:46

Of course you won't get to hear of any successful applications, GG13, but there are plenty of unsuccessful ones. There shouldn't be ANY. You have voted to take away people's rights and to have them forced through this chancy process. People who have lived and worked in the UK for decades.

Pointing to 'successful applications' does not erase the enormity of what you have done.

GrannyGravy13 Sat 07-Sept-19 13:45:36

MaizieD I have posted numerous times about people I know who have gained their settled status on line easily and quickly.

Nobody on here is interested in "good outcomes" I just get accused of being an "all right jack".

MaizieD Sat 07-Sept-19 13:42:28

I suggest that you read this:

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1169986935290519554.html

I thought it was straightforward to register on line? As advertised on the tv? Done in 5 minutes apparently.

If you have the right sort of phone.

And how about an EU national who has lived here for decades but now has dementia and isn't capable of applying? But will, presumably be denied NHS treatment post Brexit, or be required to pay?

GrannyGravy13 Sat 07-Sept-19 12:01:52

Urmstongran you will not get to hear any of the successful applicant stories on here.

Urmstongran Sat 07-Sept-19 11:51:46

I thought it was straightforward to register on line? As advertised on the tv? Done in 5 minutes apparently.

jura2 Sat 07-Sept-19 11:34:18

www.facebook.com/www.JOE.co.uk/videos/2356523024443850/

jura2 Sat 07-Sept-19 11:34:08

I look at her, and think OMG that could be me. Or it could be my OH, who arrived in the UK at the age of two - and discovered when we got married, aged 25 - that he was South African and not British - by chance, when he registered our marriage at the British Embassy in Bern ?!?

jura2 Sat 07-Sept-19 10:56:01

Just one case, among so many - what is she and her family supposed to do?

'A mum who moved to the UK with her family when she was just two years old has been refused permanent residency in the UK. Anna Amato has lived in Bristol for 55 years after emigrating with her parents Mario and Chiara from Italy. The now 57-year-old attended school and university in Britain and she estimates she has paid over £500,000 in tax during her four decades of working. Despite marrying a British husband, Connell, and having two British children, Anna said she now feels that she is not welcome in her homeland. The Home Office has told her she did not provide enough evidence to document her status – even though Anna’s documents were so heavy they cost £35 to post. The devastated mum said: ‘You are in your country, it is a democracy, all of a sudden you are told after this time no one knows what is going to happen to you. ‘Where do I go? It is really, really scary.’

Read more: metro.co.uk/2019/08/30/mum-lived-uk-55-years-denied-residency-10658918/?ito=cbshare

jura2 Sat 07-Sept-19 10:49:48

Lots of similar cases currently - it is a disgrace. Can you imagine what this does to a family?

growstuff Fri 30-Aug-19 07:59:43

Even committed Brexiter, Dan Hannan MEP, realises what's going on. Tweeted yesterday.

growstuff Fri 30-Aug-19 01:46:13

Yes, it was a lie Greta. Sadly the people who support them don't care that they lie.

blondenana Thu 29-Aug-19 16:40:25

notanan2 my son lives in Spain, and has been trying to get married since February, he has had to do all the things you mention, passed from this place to that, and back again,get full birth certificates, which took weeks, then they were passed on to somewhere, then get proof he and partner have not been married before, etc,all this has taken months, and has to go before a judge, at last they have got a date,for the 14th of September
It is an absolute pain in Spain to get anything done quickly,
Same with applying for a mortgaage,but he says he will never come back to this Country