Post Brexit food

Woodmouse, with all due respect us retainers have certainly taken some flack and name calling from you leavers in other posts, so please don't come that one with us.

Brexit is an emotive subject and people putting down those on the opposite side, so as to speak, are in my mind doing so because they are afraid. Afraid that they will be found to be wrong. I am a retainer and nothing will change my mind, I am not getting into any discussions with leavers on it. I will just sit here and watch it all blow up and then the leavers will blame it on everyone but themselves.

I am aware about Morrisons. I gave the link because someone had questioned what newnanny had said about Morrisons selling 100% British meat, You're trying to wind us up, aren't you, newnanny?

I made that comment and I made it because, despite posters explaining over and over again that we cannot produce enough food to be self sufficient, other posters persist in telling us that if we buy British we'll be fine. Do they ever take in the information that is given in other people's posts?

We can't all buy British because there isn't (and never will be) enough 'British' to go round.

That is a fact and it is so exasperating when people ignore it.

As GGMk2 says: If taking people's current lives away from them makes them very cross, then, as we were so often told after the referendum, "suck it up".

It wasn't that difficult to find the name of the redacted person and to follow some of his arguments on Twitter. It would appear there is disagreement amongst farmers. Some of them stand to lose a lot of money from EU subsidies. Some of them are hoping for deregulation to make up their loss. Others are saying that deregulation will undermine the domestic market and lead to lower standards and bankruptcies. The person who wrote the letter to the Telegraph has a vested interest in denying that Brexit will cause problems.

Sorry, GoneGirl - we all come over in that way at times.

So why would you believe the opinion of an 'expert' writing in The Telegraph Urmonstongran, but not believe the executives from Sainsburys and Tescos and from The Road Haulage Association who have warned of food shortages? Do you wonder, as I do, why the editor of The Daily Telegraph ( or Daily Borisgraph as I believe it is now known) chose that one letter and not the miriad others that were warning of food shortages? Hmm??

There will be some food shortages. Perhaps some empty shelves. But it will not be a catastrophe for the slightly better off of us. Food will be more expensive though, and so, as ever, it will be already deprived members of society who will suffer.

Should never have happened. The most ridiculous situation to have landed ourselves in.

(love from your "Head girl of food" xx)

Well, that's someone else's opinion to add to the pot. It's not exactly a reasoned statement, is it? Perhaps "veteran" is the keyword.

Interesting that one Urmstongran but I am not at all sure I can take quotes "redacted" by you after, you tell us, it has been printed for all to see in the Torygraph, at all seriously.

A letter in the Telegraph today (I have redacted the name of the sender):

SIR – I am a veteran of the food industry. Talks of food shortages in the event of a no-deal Brexit are utter nonsense. It will not happen.
W* B*
Chairman, Burgess Farms / Produce World Group
Peterborough

? alexa I will take that as a compliment.

"I made an informed decision about which way to vote." Thu 08-Aug-19 12:55:03

So when you made your decision WOODMOUSE49, informed by previous education and your background, did you really think BBC 4 Today programme would be quietly introducing the concept of food rationing as if it were the most normal thing for us to do in 2019? All as a result of your decision? I have to admit I don't remember anyone actually mentioning it.

If taking people's current lives away from them makes them very cross, then, as we were so often told after the referendum, "suck it up".

You and your fellow leave voters believe in the "will of the people" you just don't like hearing it when it isn't your "will". You may need to consider just how important the frozen in ice "will" is. To me, the "will of the people" is neither immutable, singular or sovereign so we are allowed to choose to fight on against the tyranny of the majority, which is exactly what I intend to do.

We are safer with pessimists like Whitewavemark than with superannuated Pollyannas.

PS. I should have explained that I meant the degree of rudeness from "leavers" and "remainers".

With all due respect, WOODMOUSE, my perception is different from yours. I'm sure you'll want to respect my opinion, as I do yours.

You're right, Gonegirl.

In the government's own risk assessment, they foresee trouble between fishermen.

JonesKpj000 Wed 07-Aug-19 19:16:37 I so agree

I have now reached the point of thinking "Why do I bother?"

I have read yet another remainer putting down a leaver's viewpoint / opinion and quite rudely. No respect.

My opinion but I consider myself an intelligent person and after getting an Hons Degree in my 30's I went on to use this in my chosen career. To give myself a social status: I'm from a working class background and my friends and relatives would now consider me middle class because of the level I achieved in work. In my work and outside it, I prided myself and still do, on listening to others far more than I talk to them. My work revolved around respect. That's how I have achieved so much. Through respect for others.

I made an informed decision about which way to vote. I do not regret it and would vote the same now. Nothing here or elsewhere has made me want to change my vote. I have close friends and family. One friend and my daughter have shown me respect and I them. We voted differently. We discussed the vote before taking it but not after. I found it difficult to make the choice as I do not have much faith in the government and knew leaving would be difficult.

Although there is impoliteness from both sides, some comments on this thread and others about Brexit show no respect. Some try to answer a question or leave an opinion just to get a harsh retort. That is putting it politely. Some Remainers certainly shine at this and far far more than Leavers do. Please note, I say some.

No-one here knows everything there is to know surrounding Brexit (before and currently). We are all bound to write something that may be questioned. I go onto these forums to learn as well has to have fun (Big fan of limericks).

I shall continue to read comments. I expect I will continue read those containing snide replies.

There's a sketch from years ago. John Cleese, Ronnie Barker and Ronnie Corbett. WELL - I look up to those who show respect. I look down on you who throw back insulting and snide comments.

Stick with Gransnet forums JonesKpj000. There are some great ones / fun ones / supportive ones.

No time now to proof read my message but I expect and acknowledge there may be typos.

We actually exchanged some of our fishing quotas for a lot of money from the EU. Money that was spent on other things, NHS, schools, and suchlike.

We would only be able to fish in our own territorial waters, ie up to 12 miles out. And there's not much fish left there.

Agree with you, Grandad. Before WW2, the UK imported 70% of its food. It wasn't until after WW2 that British farmers started using more efficient methods. Even then, they couldn't compete with American producers on price.

There's a scarcity of farmland in the UK and we can't grow many crops efficiently without huge polytunnels and electricity for light and heat. We actually make more profit from the land we have for building for other industries and the associated necessary housing. It really doesn't make sense for the UK to aim to be self-sufficient.

That's great to hear Maggiemaybe. I occasionally use our Sainsbury's for emergency buys but our Morrisons is a much bigger store and has meat/fish/deli counters.

Thank you.

Unfortunately Quorn has an unpleasant effect on my digestive system.

British farming has never held the capacity to feed this entire nation, and never will have. Even during the Second World War when the United Kindom had a population on less than half that reside in these islands now, and far more land was available for agriculture, Britain only survived by convoys of ships crossing the Atlantic bringing a large percentage the food Britain so desperately required.

Obviously, the leavers on this thread are untutored in the above facts or wish to ignore that which does not fit in with their ridiculous and unachievable utopian Brexit dreams.

Forty percent of all chilled and fresh food produce Britain consumes comes into the United Kingdom today on trucks via the channel ports or through the Channel Tunnel. On the best Government estimate, should there be a no-deal exit from the European Union then six out every ten vehicles will face substantial delays in undertaking those crossings. The above will mean that six thousand vehicles per day will be held at park up points unable to complete their journeys with many carrying food for our supermarkets.

At best the above will create shortages of essentials, a drop in quality, and huge price rises. At worst many foodstuffs may become totally unavailable due to a shortage of available trucks and drivers.

Therefore Brexiteers on this thread need to wake up to the substance of the above and get real.

Now, coffee break over, eyes down and back to work.

My nearest Morrisons is 19.25 miles away (just checked). I can't say it really bothers me, because I have easy access to all the other major supermarkets. They all sell 100% British beef. I hardly ever eat beef anyway and buy it from a farm, but that's a luxury I have in a semi-rural area.

I'm more bothered about the people in inner cities, who often don't have cars and only have convenience stores, and people who can't afford to pay the premium for good quality beef. (I don't mean expensive cuts, but meat which has been raised well.)

Like many others, we’re eating less and less meat these days, for health and environmental reasons. Quorn is one alternative. 100% British, and Quorn Foods are currently planning on doubling their production.

meat, not beef.

Sainsburys also sell 100% British beef, WOODMOUSE, and Aldi say that all their “everyday” meat is British.

growstuff

Yes I am aware. Amongst the fish they sell the type of fish that the UK doesn't like to eat.

I am aware about Morrisons. I gave the link because someone had questioned what newnanny had said about Morrisons selling 100% British meat ^ You're trying to wind us up, aren't you, newnanny?^

The link wasn't to infer that everyone has a Morrisons.

I'm sorry if you don't have one within a few miles of you. I've just checked and they are the 4th largest and have 491 stores. If Morrisons do this, then I would like to see the 3 top stores doing it.