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Wish Boris would actually do some work.

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M0nica Fri 09-Aug-19 09:58:28

Every day since Boris was elected the papers have had photos of him dashing round the country, first this place then that. like a bouncing cheque. If it's Tuesday, it is probably Barrow.

Am I alone in wishing he would get back to No 10, sit down at a desk and do some work, on Brexit, NHS, the No 10 rose garden, for all I care, but actually get down to work and not display all the symptoms of chronic procrastination, by constantly putting off knuckling down to work by visiting yet another, school/hospital/prison in England/Ireland/Scotand/Wales/Timbuctu

MaizieD Sat 10-Aug-19 16:56:52

Why did a majority of remain politicians vote for article 50 in the first place?

Weren't they whipped?

Jabberwok Sat 10-Aug-19 15:38:13

Why did a majority of remain politicians vote for article 50 in the first place? Wasn't that just a teeny bit dishonest?! Why go to a GE sighting delivering Brexit as number 1 on the manifesto? At least say it's an aspiration not imply a definite hand on heart! surely these MP's weren't vote catching or making sure they kept their seats?!! shock Ken Clark did neither of the above, so however much you might disagree with him at least he's an honest MP, a rare breed indeed!!

varian Sat 10-Aug-19 14:58:33

Most people end up being represented by an MP that they did not vote for and FPTP often results in an effectual dictatorship by a party supported by a minority of voters.

If we are seriously interested in making the UK a democracy there are are two things we must campaign for-

1 The urgent need to reject the high-jacking of our democracy in the fraudulent referendum of 2016 and Revoke Article 50 so that the UK remains in the EU

2 Change our electoral system to proportional representation.

growstuff Sat 10-Aug-19 14:35:45

It's a problem. I live in a safe seat and have felt disenfranchised all my life. The new MP (since the last election) doesn't live here, doesn't answer emails, letters or social media messages. She doesn't seem to have a clue about real local issues. Even the "faithful" are beginning to see through her, but the opposition isn't strong. All she seems to care about is her own career and sucking up to whoever is in charge of the Tories. She appears on TV quite frequently and doesn't seem to have a mind of her own because all she does is come out with a load of soundbites to parrot the party line. As far as I know, she doesn't deliberately lie, but just ignores everybody. As far as many of us are concerned, she makes a mockery of democracy because she just seems to see being elected as a meal ticket. Our local MEPs are actually more concerned about the area (and speak up for it) than she is.

Jabberwok Sat 10-Aug-19 14:24:47

If you haven't, then???!!!!!

Jabberwok Sat 10-Aug-19 14:23:43

I think that's all anyone can do growstuff . If you have a good constituency MP with a proven track record, then you're best to stick with them, whatever their allegiance, and basically hope for the best!!!!

growstuff Sat 10-Aug-19 13:23:12

That's a good reason to vote for an MP. Mine is c**p and I'd say that whatever party she represented.

GrannyGravy13 Sat 10-Aug-19 12:34:50

Basically the electorate has been lied to!!

Jeremy Corbyn is on record (video and written) promising to "deliver Brexit" on at least 50 occasions.

Theresa May consistently said "No deal is better than a bad deal".

Boris Johnson is travelling the country to "make friends" with the electorate to let them see he is "a good guy"?

We have a weak government with a minuscule majority and an even weaker opposition..................basically we are bu****ed!!!!

Not one party sticks to its manifesto promises.

At the next election I shall vote for my sitting MP who has been consistent and is an exceptional constituency MP.

Jabberwok Sat 10-Aug-19 11:56:26

Parliament endorsed the way the referendum was run without a murmur , 80% of MP's signed up for article 50, in order, as it turned out, to keep their seats, (who would have thought?!!) MP 's went to a GE on the back of delivering Brexit! Are you telling me that the general public shouldn't have believed any of this? If so, how on earth can they, you know, ordinary folk without the benefits of higher education, without the intellectual high ground, possibly sift through any political information at any level and know what is to be believed and what is not? Not everyone has an academic background, not everyone reads serious papers, but I think even these sort of low achieving no hopers now recognise a vote catching, self serving politician when they hear one which has to be a good thing!

MaizieD Sat 10-Aug-19 11:05:13

Then perhaps politicians should make it crystal clear that their election 'promises' (and anything else) are just aspirations,

I'm really surprised that any one at our time of life, who has had a lifetime's experience of politics, elections and different governments, would be so naive as to think that politicians are always able to translate their party's 'aspirations' into reality. Politicians don't invariably lie, they just don't always understand (along with most of the population) that sometimes their proposals cannot be implemented, or can only be partially implemented.

Cameron made a 'political' promise which was a) exceeding his powers under the constitution and b) foolhardy because, even if it had been made by Parliament (which it emphatically wasn't) a Parliament cannot bind its successors. Any action taken by a Parliament now can be amended or done away with altogether by a succeeding Parliament.

Just remember, if you must cling to the belief that MPs are duplicitous and dishonest, that those qualities are shared equally between politicians you approve of and those that you don't.

And that we now have arch liar-in-chief as our PM

Jabberwok Sat 10-Aug-19 10:34:08

Then perhaps politicians should make it crystal clear that their election 'promises' (and anything else) are just aspirations, then perhaps people from all walks of life wouldn't be so stupid as to be taken in. DC even put it in writing, remember the leaflet to every household?! obviously, as its turned out, this should have been to be taken with a pinch of salt! At the time people actually believed him! Along then, why would you not? Now, of course sadly you wouldn't actually believe anything any politician said. The duplicity and sheer dishonesty of our M.P's has been well and truly exposed by Brexit which perhaps for the future is a good thing!

M0nica Sat 10-Aug-19 09:04:24

I fail to see how somebody constantly rushing around the country like a blue-a**d fly can exercise any control at all at any level over anybody.

Even if you delegate everything, you need to instruct your underlings, meet with them regularly and make sure everything is going to plan, otherwise what is the point of having a senior manager in charge.

If a group of people are expected to run round like headless chickens doing a job without any input from the senior manager, why not sack the senior manager and save the cost of employing him.

Namsnanny Fri 09-Aug-19 22:21:54

Depends what you think a leader should do I suppose.

Sit at a desk? Be a figure head? Take over and become a control freak? Trust others to do their jobs, and intercede when needed?

I don't claim to know, just saying.

varian Fri 09-Aug-19 19:44:12

All of us who realise the danger our country faces because of the power of unelected SPADS, enelected newspaper proprietors, foreign billionaires and tax-exiles should campaign as strongly as we can to STOP BREXIT>

M0nica Fri 09-Aug-19 19:19:33

But he isn't leading is he? Just barnstorming while leaving the leadership of the country in the hands of unsupervised deputies.

Namsnanny Fri 09-Aug-19 18:40:48

Leaders lead, workers work, advisors advise, and knowalls (like me wink) talk on GN!!

MaizieD Fri 09-Aug-19 18:37:03

Politics is the 'art of the possible', Jabberwock. There are times when manifesto promises just aren't practicable to implement, or have to be watered down. As long as a government moves in the general direction of what is in their manifesto and manages to implement a great deal of it they can be forgiven for the bits that prove difficult or downright impossible.

We have to be adult about this. It's no good ignoring all explanation of why something couldn't be achieved and just saying, "But you promised", like a toddler. Nothing is as black and white as voters would like to believe.

May tried her bloody hardest to get a deal with the EU; unfortunately she painted herself into a corner right from the start by setting all those red lines and pissing off the Remainers by treating them as if they didn't exist.

If she'd really meant to sabotage the process she could have revoked A50 once she'd handed in her notice and left her successor to sort it out... a bit like her predecessor, really, who created this godawful mess then went off, humming a little tune, to leave others to do what they could with it.

Or, she could have declared the referendum void, being well aware that the result was unsafe, and had a clean re-run.

GracesGranMK3 Fri 09-Aug-19 18:25:32

It seems he has achieved something. He told us that economic growth would fund the promises they’ve made. Today we heard that the economy shrank 0.2% – the worst performance since 2012.

GracesGranMK3 Fri 09-Aug-19 18:14:04

Following

Jabberwok Fri 09-Aug-19 17:54:19

Trouble with manifesto's, as we all now know to our cost, is that what a politician says to gain your vote is probably not what he means or will act upon! Remember, honouring and delivering Brexit? and we, poor fools, believed it!!!! Signing up to article 50, in order to do the exact opposite?! Politicians have forked tongues whoever they are, believe them at your peril????

oldgoat Fri 09-Aug-19 17:40:29

GrannyGravy Corbyn IS about canvassing in preparation for a snap election. He was at a meeting in Outer York last week supporting the new Labour candidate.

He came across as a caring person representing a party with an excellent manifesto to improve the lives of the British people.

I have never been a particular fan of Corbyn but I have changed my opinion and would be happy to see him as PM of this country.

You wouldn't have heard about his canvassing tour because this sort of thing is not reported by the MSM.

Jabberwok Fri 09-Aug-19 17:16:01

It was a truly dreadful,appalling business. The cruelty of a government who not only refused to surrender after one hideous event but actually invited another before finally accepting defeat.

Callistemon Fri 09-Aug-19 16:40:22

Yes, as well as remembering the innocent Japanese civilians who lost their lives, we should also remember all those of many nationalities, men, women and children, who lost their lives at the hands of the Japanese and those who did survive the horrors inflicted on them from which so many never recovered.

Jabberwok Fri 09-Aug-19 15:59:43

Yes they were innocent people,but unfortunately for them they had a ruthless cruel paranoid government with a God for an Emperor and committed the most appalling savagery since Ghengis Khan. Remember the rape of Nankin?!! My stepfather was a POW with the Japanese and what he and anyone else who came into their clutches doesn't bear thinking about. The Japanese government were warned again and again but they simply wouldn't stop fighting and were determined to fight to the last person standing taking thousands of allied and Japanese troops,civilians (the countries they had conquered) and POW's with them. It's so easy to judge 70 years along the line, but the war in the far east had to end and, like the Nazi's the Japanese had to be stopped!

Baggs Fri 09-Aug-19 15:48:07

Actually, paddyann, thousands of Scots who live near Faslane are employed there and jolly glad to be so too.