November 1; Labour/coalition is in power. What should they do first??

Interesting piece by Andrew Rawnsley in today's Observer about what is actually possible:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/11/boris-johnson-plot-to-subvert-democracy-is-more-dangerous-than-brexit-itself

It really doesn't bear thinking about. It would be even worse than where we are now and we already at the bottom of the pit!!

Minniemoo Quote [In my opinion it's highly unlikely that Labour would win with Corbyn at the helm.] End Quote

Well, exactly the same was being stated as I seem to recall in 2017 prior to the General Election being called. However, most political analyst following the result of that election stated it was Corbyn's much-praised campaign performance that brought about the far better result than expected for the Labour Party in that election.

The recent "They Have No Answers" speech to the crowds in Parliament Square during the Donald Trump visit has been received by many political analysts again with the same applause.

Therefore, those who wish to write Corbyn off should be very ware that history has a long practice of repeating itself.

Where is Corbyn ?

Not sure how Labour/coalition would be in power on November 1st, but that aside, the one thing I'd tell them to do is to come on to Gransnet.

Here they have a small but enthusiastic bunch of staunch supporters who appear to know exactly what will happen and what should happen.

In my opinion it's highly unlikely that Labour would win with Corbyn at the helm. When May unwisely called her snap election she had posted a manifesto that was so dire even diehard Tories were aghast. Polls are never the greatest indicator of what will/won't happen but I genuinely believe that Corbyn is scaring off voters. Many left wing friends/family/colleagues of mine say they couldn't possibly vote for Labour whilst he is in charge.

That will go down in history as one of her most absurd decisions.

But yes, definitely get them to pop down to Gransnet and they will sort absolutely everything out.

Brilliant post Day6 totally agree ?

jura2, you state in your post-@09:02 today, that the Labour Party would be very unlikely to win any General Election called in near future.

I would remind you and others which hold such belief that Theresa May called such an election in 2017 purely on the grounds that the Tory Party held a twenty point lead in the opinion polls. With those " assurances" from the polls, Theresa May believed she would "wipe out" the Labour Party in the House of Commons and achieve a huge majority for the Tory Party with which she would bring about Brexit.

Well, we all know now the above most certainly did not come about. The Tories lost their overall majority in Parliament, and the Labour Party increased the number of seats they held in the House of Commons, and that situation proved to be the beginning of the end for the May premiership.

So, if Boris (The Buffoon) Johnson wishes to attempt another General Election in even less favourable circumstances, then many grassroots activists in the Labour movement will be shouting "bring it on" I am sure.

As regards to having a second referendum, then that will not happen without a General Election at first taking place. Parliament prior to the summer recess was not able to bring such a situation about, and the circumstances will not have changed when that body reassembles in September.

So, any hopes of that "peoples vote" taking place are in my view "pie in the sky."

I think the LP probably know what BJ and his cohorts are up to Jura. They keep talking about an election because they know that is their best bet. The thing they are frightened of is Parliament taking control again.

Grandad is right. This may have come about by an election but it is more likely to have come about by a vote of no confidence perhaps on the 30/31 October. If enough Conservatives had abstained or voted against the government on the basis of the "no-deal" then we would go, I believe, into a 14 day period in which Johnson would go to the palace. He could tell the Queen he believes he could command a majority (if that was true) but in these circumstances, he blatantly can't. It is then up to the opposition to explain why they can - if they have had the talks and signatures and to the be invited to go to the palace and say they could command a majority. The queen will have "been advised" that this is what the Fixed Term Parliament Act" says must happen. If neither could do this we would have an election.

I don't think the LP could command a majority on its own but as a coalition, it certainly could.

I agree too that whoever leads this coalition must talk to the EU about getting an extension or otherwise rescind Article 50.

I would then put Rory Stewart in charge of rolling out Citizens Assemblies (as he suggested when he stood for the leadership of the Tories) so that all the information we need about the EU is available to everyone. I would put a judicial review in place regarding the last referendum and I would do a complete drains-up in the Treasury to see what had been spent where: what was actually available and what we were legally committed to.

Gilly I like it ?

I would put him in a cab too Anniebach but not sure where I would send him. Perhaps we could have a “whip round” and see how much money we could get together and then pay the driver to take him as far away as possible .

kitty- a very interesting article in the Guardian today. A People's vote is what JC should be pushing for, clearly and unequivocally NOW- as he is VERY unlikely to win a GE.

'Jeremy Corbyn shouldn’t fall into the trap of giving Boris Johnson an election. Unless, that is, he is pretty confident of winning it and, on the basis of the latest polls, Labour needs an election like a hole in the head.

Instead, the leader of the opposition should try everything else to foil the prime minister’s devilish plot to crash out of the EU without a deal. With the help of a cross-party group of MPs, he can probably succeed.

Labour has made conflicting noises about whether it would call a vote of no confidence in Johnson when the Commons returns on 3 September. This might well fail because most Tory MPs opposed to a no-deal Brexit aren’t yet ready to chuck out their own government. Corbyn’s credibility would then be knocked and it would be harder to stitch together a cross-party pact.

However, it could be even worse if the vote of no confidence succeeded. Johnson’s righthand man, Dominic Cummings, might get to carry out his undemocratic threat to delay an election until after we’d left the EU on 31 October. Even if he didn’t, the Tories might squeeze the Brexit party and win the election with less than a third of the popular vote.

A better plan is to pass a law to force Johnson to ask the EU for extra time so we can hold a new referendum, something our friends in Europe have indicated they would grant. The choice in such a “people’s vote” would be between the crash-out Brexit the government wants and staying in the EU.'

Corbyn wouldn’t be in charge.

MacDonald said he would put Corbyn in a cab and send him to Buckingham Palace.

Organise a People's vote then resign before they make a worse mess of the country.

A ? from me Day6 too.

The opening poster has not stated under what conditions a Labour party Government has come to power in those early days of November. It could well be that it has formed a coalition with the Scottish National Party at Westminster, which for me would be the most likely outcome should Labour not hold and an overall majority.

It could also be that Britain has "crashed out" of the European Union with no deal while Parliament was prorogued for the election campaign.

In the above situation, I would imagine that the new coalition or a majority Labour government would immediately request the European Union to grant Britain temporary associate member status on the same terms as the United Kingdom holds now while new negotiations are held as to the future relationship of Britain with the EU.

Should the above request be granted by the EU (and there would be no reason for the EU not to grant such a request) then the Negotiations could follow the same path as the Labour Party policy as recently laid out.

That policy is, to hold fresh negotiations on Britons withdraw from the EU, and whatever the outcome of those negotiations that would be placed in front of the United Kingdom electorate for acceptance for leaving on those terms, or an alternative given of remaining within the EU on the present terms.

Should it be that a majority in England, Wales and Northern Ireland elect to leave the EU, but Scotland elects to remain, then powers could be granted the Scottish Parliament to hold a fresh referendum on cessation from the United Kingdom to enable that nation to remain in the European Union.

And with you BradfordLass and RoseLeah!

I agree with your comments Day6!

I'm with you on that one, Bradfordlass. With all the terrible things happening around the world, let's be thankful we live in the West and only have Brexit to worry us.

Our country must be a wonderful place, else people wouldn't be taking to canoes to get here!

Make moaning against the law.

Bring in a Labour government for the many I joined because a member because of Corbyn and the fantastic transformative Labour polices

. The only Party that will properly fund the NHS and Fantastic green agenda among other badly needed polices.

With Corbyn in power I say , Run for the hills people.....run for the hills.

Revoke Article 50

Goodness me, Day6. Is that your version of Project Fear?

GillT57 could we have you for Prime Minister.