Is the UK Union now at risk.

Oh dear...we're all doomed!

Link to the above Road Haulage Association statement can be found here:-
www.rha.uk.net/news/press-releases/2018-07-july/brexit-and-the-uk-haulage-industry-%E2%80%93-no-deal-no-jobs-no-food

I was hearing the same thing on the various news programmes last night, growmore. It seems this was asked for by the Johnson government as a "what's likely" scenario not a "worst case" one. This updated view is, apparently, now seen as worse than the initial findings for the May government.

But, of course, we shouldn't take any notice of the expert advice but "believe" in sunny uplands and Great Britain having, it seems, ditched Ireland as being "too difficult".

Evidence is emerging that it's not a historic document either, but written within the last month, certainly after the original deadline.

I'll post the evidence when it's clarified.

We had a special place in Europe, with opt-outs and allowances other countries envied,

We opted out of the Euro as a currency, thank goodness. We are still liable (if we remain within the EU) to bail out the unstable Euro to the tune of billions of UK taxpayer's money if it fails. Are you aware of that?

Other than that we had no special allowances as Cameron's futile meetings in Brussels pre the referendum illustrated so well.

At every European border...

There goes our logistics industry...

Here is an extract from the latest statement by the Road Haulage association:-

The 7000+ members of the Road Haulage Association who, between them operate nearly 50% of the UK’s 496,000 lorry fleet, the prospect of a future without a Brexit deal looks extremely bleak.

A no-deal Brexit will create massive problems for international hauliers – whether UK or mainland Europe based. It is time for a reality check.

For supply chains, the customs controls and the controlling of lorry movements are the key issues. Should there be no deal and customs controls are established for UK hauliers at every European border, the knock-on effect will be crippling.

According to RHA chief Executive Richard Burnett, “The Dover Strait handles 10,000 lorries each day and processing them through the port is currently seamless.

“The stark reality is that if customs controls are put in place, it will take an average of about 45 minutes to process one truck on both sides of the channel. If that happens then the queues of HGVs in Kent will make the jams seen in the summer of 2015 appear as little more than waiting for the traffic lights to change.”

Sadly, yes!

The "Yellowhammer document" disclosure only confirms what Richard Burnett the chief executive of the Road Haulage Association has been stating for more than eighteen months in regard to disruption through the ports.

However, I have no doubts that we shall still witness the "fingers in ears and heads in the sand" Brexteers claiming there is nothing to be concerned about, even when these documents come from a source within the current government.

They've been at it all day. James Cleverly was sent out this morning with "corrections" this morning. If it wasn't so serious it would funny because they are coming over as very, very cross that their ickle plan isn't being supported by everyone. There is definitely an "oh, diddums" moment on the way.

Gove has just lied about Operation Yellowhammer which spells out the reality of the consequences of a no deal brexit.

He has said Yellowhammer is a " worse case scenario". That is a lie.

Yellowhammer describes the most likely scenario. There is another scenario, code named Black Swan, which is much much worse and describes a worse case scenario.

Utterly despicable!!

OK, POGS, Juncker, who is just about to end his term of office, wants QMV and alignment of taxation. Who else? Or is one man 'the EU'?

How do the 27 member states feel about this issue? If they don't want it it won't happen (or will this mysterious entity 'the EU' overrule them all?)

There is some heavy reading to be searched for but this might explain why I posted.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-tax-policy-veto-scrap-european-commission-brexit-ireland-a8729396.html

Not the full account:-
' EU announces plan to scrap member state veto on tax policy
Commission says EU should move to qualified majority voting for tax

The European Commission has proposed scrapping member states’ veto on tax policy, in a move that could see levies imposed on EU countries against their will.

Brussels says the requirement of unanimity for tax policy is out-dated and that moving to a system of qualified majority voting would help speed up the legislative process.

The bloc has struggled to agree ambitious policies such as a tax on US tech giants because of opposition from low-tax countries such as Luxembourg and Ireland. "

" Launching the policy in Strasbourg on Tuesday, European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker said he was “strongly in favour of moving to qualified majority voting and a stronger voice for the European Parliament on the common future of taxation in our Union”.

"Other policy areas, such rules governing corporation tax and VAT, would follow - with final implementation expected to be around 2025."

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The EU, Junker in his State of the Union Address et al have mooted alignment of the Euro and taxation for ALL member States over time.

Happy to be corrected.

That is a very big if, POGS. An independent Scotland in the EU would have a voice in making that decision.

I'd be really interested if you could identify the figures within the EU who are planning European domination. As the EU is not a sentient being but merely a regulatory body there must be some plotters in there somewhere who are planning to obliterate 27/28 individual nation states and create a new superstate. Who are they?

What will happen will happen and we will embrace it and make the best of it. It’s what being British means.....after all we are ALL in it together no matter what we think.

No it isn't.

If the EU dictates there will be a uniformity of taxation in the European Union then how can an Independent country in the EU make it's own decision.?

I don't see where the EU comes into it. The Scots Nationalists want Scotland to be an independent country, no longer part of the UK and ruled from Westminster.

The Scots also voted by a majority to stay in the EU. POGS is treating this as though they would be exchanging rule by Westminster for rule by Brussels. This is absurd. 'Twisted logic' in fact.

Of course all the 28 nations have equality, “having the same say”, doesn’t mean “voting the same way”.

Well said granny4hugs.

I'm not even Scottish (though I live here) but agree 100% with paddyann. Given the chance I will vote (again) for separation. National identity is a con perpetrated by the rich and powerful to get the poor to die in their wars so even if I were Scottish i'd not be a nationalist. I'd be voting to escape the corrosive ineptitude of Westminster. Nothing to do with hating a nation - I just cannot abide the Etonion (and other public school) buffoons who've messed up time and time and time again.

paddyann Sun 18-Aug-19 12:31:17

"It seems to have escaped you pogs that the EU is made up of 28 INDEPENDENT countries.They all get the same say in whats happening and what rules are passed."
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It seems to me paddyann you don't accept that unless ALL 28 nations who make up the European Union vote in the ' exact same way' then they do not ALL ' have the same say'.

The European Parliament is just like Westminster, made up of different countries, different political alliences who all vote differently and like Westminster there are winners and losers, the highest vote counts. I have witnessed decisions made by the chair counting raised hands at times. MEP's get to vote on the recommendations of the Commission.

No we don’t paddyann - as you are reminded on a regular basis, we are part of the U.K. and we voted to stay that way, which means that we accept the overall U.K. vote. You might not like it but that’s the way democracy works - in the same way that the majority of us didn’t vote for the SNP but we still have an SNP Govt

And 96% of our laws are domestic ones

That old myth that we are “ruled by the EU” as if the members don’t have any say.

It seems to have escaped you pogs that the EU is made up of 28 INDEPENDENT countries.They all get the same say in whats happening and what rules are passed.The UK only "lost" in 7 votes in 40 years ....thats a fantastic record.If you see it from a Scottish perspective WE lose EVERY vote in Westminster because London on its own can outvote us ..wheres the democracy in that?