Proposed minimum salary for EU workers: £30000

I remember those days too. I had a boyfriend who was a junior doctor. We didn't have much of a social and * life because he was always on call.

They still do crazy hours but at least "on call" is no longer counted as rest time

Thats true. These days the docs on call at night are expected to be awake all night so get to sleep in the day but in the past "on call" meant "sleep until youre called" so you could do a day then an "on call" night which could end up having no sleep time.

That’s terrible

Yes, SirC, junior doctors, early 70s - for sure.

Also the nurse shortages are mainly band 5 vacancies. It is B5s that the NHS does overseas recruitment for! Besides overseas nurses without UK experience would be unlikely to get a 6 initially even if they have 6 experience elsewhere.

And no, "shortage" exemptions are not enough as it is so insecure! Your profession can be taken OFF a shortage list: the Home Office has enforced this on overseas allied health professionals who came with shortage exemptions.

So post brexit EU staff would be wise to not trust any shortage exemptions if they dont meet the earning threshold in their own right! Its too changable to uproot your family for especially when other EU countries are also hiring/recruiting!

140 hours a week?! That's 20 hours a day, 7 days a week!

30K - oh my- rememember when OH earned £1000 for 140+ hours a week ;) sorry for diversion ...

FY1s do, yes, and I know that B5s don't

Most nurses never reach band 6 SirChenin. Management isnt for everyone. Plenty retire at B5!

F1 Junior doctors earn less than 30k too!

The point is we don’t need any more graduate level workers we have plenty, although they certainly need to be directed to make better use of their education.
This migration control is all pre election bluster, the country is being propped up by 3.7 million foreigners and that isn’t going to change because we waste our own talent.

I'm not disagreeing with you, you're absolutely right

And how many immigrant teachers start on the max? ;-)

The point is that this threshold is going to have to have so many exemptions it will become expensive to administer and unworkable. Business will not be able to employ the staff they need.

Max for a classroom teacher up here. Going up next year to £41412.

What's £40,206?

The vast majority of teachers in England and Wales are on M1 without any responsibility allowances or enhancements. Therefore, they earn less than £35,008. Most of the overseas-trained teachers (EU and non-EU) in England and Wales start at the bottom of M1.

Come to Scotland - it's £40,206 here. Agree that more nurses are on B5

Agreed, but the majority aren't at that level.

Exactly! The maximum for a classroom teacher without responsibility or enhancements is £35,008.

B6 NMAHP staff and above do (or will as they reach the top of their pay scale), and more with enhancements.

David, I'm afraid I'm beginning to think you just pluck figures out of thin air and really can't take them seriously.

Did you not realise that most teachers and new nurses are graduates?

This links to pay scales across the UK www.nasuwt.org.uk/advice/pay-pensions/pay-scales/england-pay-scales.html

Most nurses don't either.

Most teachers do not earn £37,500. The average is skewed by some senior managers who earn 6 figure salaries. A £37,500 threshold would exclude most main scale classroom teachers.

It's £18/hr, not £20, and teachers and NMAHP staff (all graduates) earn around that or more, depending on where they are on their payscale or banding or in their career.