Corbyn as caretaker

Corbyn and those who surround him are totally oblivious to the fact Corbyn / Labour is seen as continuing the fence sitting / flip flopping that they have been doing for 3 years.

Why should Corbyn become Leader?

The answer is if a Party of Unity is formed the largest party would under normal circumstances be the head / take the lead. Apart from that principle what else is there for him to be Leader?

If the other parties do not agree with Corbyn/Labour's position, if they don't know what he actually stands for because he says one thing on one hand and another thing on the other how could they follow his lead?

varian, Jo Swinton demanded that Jeremy Corbyn put down a motion of No Confidence in the Boris Johnson government on the day that Johnson had been elected as Tory leader and Prime Minister and he was in the process of forming his cabinet.

Had Swinton engaged her brain before she opened her mouth she would have realized that such a motion tabled on that day would have had no chance of being passed by the House of Commons.

We now have a situation were Swinton is refusing to support Corbyn's call to form a very temporary cross-party government on the grounds that she does not wish to see Corbyn in Downing Street.

The above begs the question, what difference does it make who heads such a government if it is only going to be in power for a few weeks so as to avoid a no-deal Brexit.

For more than four years the Liberal Democrats supported the Cameron Tory government in all its austerity measures even to the point of breaking a pledge to its own young supporters on tuition fees. Now once again we witness the Liberal Democrats "running out" on the British people in refusing to support measures to avoid a no-deal Brexit purely on the basis of who would head a temporary government

In the above, all can see once again that Swinton and the Liberal Democrats will always support the Tory Party even when the interests of this whole nation are at stake.

Lib Dems, nothing else but a Tory Party mark two

Corbyn should have responded positively to Jo Swinson's call for of a Vote of No Confidence before the summer recess.

It looks as if he is "running it down to the wire" just as Johnson is so that a no-deal brexit cannot be avoided.

Someone said to me today 'It's Johnson or Corbyn- make up your mind'

is that really the only 2 choices? It makes me so angry that Corbyn waited until we are just on the edge of catastrophy to suddenly come out (and yet still fence sitting)- saying 'it's me or the highway'. I almost feel, as if it was possible - that I have been conned by him almost more than by Johnson and ERG - at least ERG were clear from the start. Fuming- and in despair.

"abjectly poor" Is he? Do you only vote for the hideously rich then Day 6?

Yes, please tell us what it is the older generation do 'not get' about Corbyn please.

You seem to forget that our generation in our youth, perfected the sit-in protest, perfected the camp out protest (CND) and marched for most things we saw, in our youth, as being wrong or unjust. I count myself amongst those protesters.

I believe in the right of peaceful protest. I believe leaving the EU has always been a left-wing cause. I am from a Labour voting family and have always supported the Unions.

However, I do not have any faith in abjectly poor, hypocritical former Eurosceptics like Corbyn. if you and 'the younger generation aren't aware he is and has been manipulated/used by the hard left of British politics (Momentum).

Why this weak man is being put forward as a leader of anything is beyond me. And that's not just a view formed by an 'old' person, it's a view formed by someone politically aware and concerned.

You might also ask the more left-leaning young, so in love with JC, to name a socialist regime which has ever solved all of society's ills.

What are Corbyn’s strengths?

Yes its ageist. However, I'm IN your age bracket.

I'm just pointing out, this view of JC is of the older age range. People who are known to grow more conservative and right wing with age.

The young actively WANT a socialist leader, unlike the older generation. We are the past. They are the future. So they're not paying tax yet. They're sure as hell paying for their education, unlike us who got it for free.

I dunno about your m/c friends, but mine put their politics where their mouth is.

I think that rather than 'not getting it' about JC, the reason these forums are so right wing is the age of the participants

That's very patronising and ageist GagaJo. Perhaps that is your intention>

What exactly IS there to "get about JC"??

We are fully aware he appeals to the young and students and those who don't yet pay bills or the middle classes and academics who support him in name only because it suits their right-on credentials.

Any chance you could point out Corbyn's strengths for us older posters, (who can list his weaknesses very easily) so that we too might 'get him'? What makes him a leader, because he has proved already that he is merely a puppet and malleable figure-head for the present Labour party and it's controllers, hard left Momentum.

We get that all right.

Varian : 'Incidently, I think most adults would regard getting names deliberately wrong is puerile in the extreme and reflects badly on those who do it.'

just watched an interview with Nick Ferrari and Dick Braine, new leader of Ukip - about his very deliberate and repeated misuse of the name of the Mayor of London- changing it for the name of a Terrorist bomber

GGMK3 There was never any "inferred or direct criticism" of you in my post. However, you have directly criticised me as being "anti-intellectual".

FibDems decide to Vote against or Abstain on the proposed VoNC we will know their true allegiance, and it wont be to the UK Electorate

Exactly Grany.

I do hope they realise that they and Labour have created the Brexit Party. It is going to be massive if we do not leave the EU on Oct 31st.

The UK electorate know damned well that some of our politicians are rowing their own boats. They are telling the electorate they know best and so they'll be ignored. Such arrogance.

One has to hope LibDem and Labour careers are washed up come the next election, because in putting obstacles in the way of Brexit they are angering well over half of the electorate and throwing out the notion of democracy.

Their chickens will come home to roost if there is any justice.

The leader Jo Swinson of the Lib Dems who backed all the Tory Austerity polices caused thousands of people's deaths.

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Isn't it pathetic how some posters deliberately get names wrong as if to prove some sort of point? The leader of the Liberal Democrats is Jo Swinson. It's not that difficult to spell correctly.

Caroline Lucas pleads with Jo Swinton and vote against a Boris Tory no deal

twitter.com/SkyeCitySeries/status/1161977949010223104?s=20

I think that rather than 'not getting it' about JC, the reason these forums are so right wing is the age of the participants. I count among my friends, relatives and acquaintances only 1 right wing supporter. Because I work, this group tends to be younger. The younger age group favour JC.

I'd do anything to avoid a Tory frankly. If that individual was a purple tentacled ? I'd vote for them in favour of those that allowed the bankers to bankrupt this country, and then made the poor pay for it.

I think we can be pretty sure that the Liberal Democrats will definitely vote in favour of a vote of no confidence in Boris Johnson's brexit government. Unlike Corbyn, the Liberal Democrats have always made it clear that brexit would be bad for our country and we should STOP BREXIT.

Incidently, I think most adults would regard getting names deliberately wrong is puerile in the extreme and reflects badly on those who do it.

so if MPs from other parties were prepared to support him he would have to sign up to strong conditions

Oh, like being a puppet you mean - controlled?

He's done that as Labour leader, to his shame, so he'd certainly do it again and go with what others wanted if it meant power for him.

He is as malleable as they come. Pathetic.

It's probably already been said, but sticking him a broom cupboard with a dustpan and brush sounds like a much safer and more sensible option than letting him anywhere near Number Ten.

Corbyn at the helm? No thanks. Certain ruination of the UK, which the next PM will have to sort out.

Even for the short term this hypocrite could not be trusted. He blows with the wind and ditches his long held principles (like a hatred of the EU) if it suits his personal agenda. Corbyn is a rather pathetic politician who enjoyed doing nothing much except rebel from the back benches for decades.

FibDems decide to Vote against or Abstain on the proposed VoNC we will know their true allegiance, and it wont be to the UK Electorate.
The LibDems will enable a No Deal Brexit.

In my opinion Corbyn is not seen as trustworthy, so if MPs from other parties were prepared to support him he would have to sign up to strong conditions, the first being to immediately Recvoke Article 50.

jura2 I agree with your comments regarding Jeremy Corbyn.

Grany: 'Greens and SNP will back a temporary government to stop no deal Brexit Lib Dems should'

They would too, but NOT with JC at the helm. The vast majority of the country do NOT trust him, even those who admire him as a passionnate activist. It is now clear that he has sat on that bleeding fence for so long- waiting until we are in a dreadful and disastrous position - and at massive risk of being thrown into a diasastrous No Deal - gambling that it would put him at the helm - gambling the whole country's future in the process too.

And McCluskey is pulling all the strings - and everyone can see that.

GGMK3

"Next I get cross-questioned by someone on its relevance. If you don't find it relevant - pass it by. Again I find that a rudeness that can only be excused by purposeful or unintended ignorance."
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I was polite in my question unlike you who call me ignorant. How dare you.

You put up a post using Richard Murphys words, that for your information I read in it's entirity, I could not understand what relevance it had to the OP or what it was trying to say full stop. I wanted to understand if I was missing something and all you can do as usual is post something belittling because the truth of the matter is your post using the words of Richard Murphy were bugger all to do with the price of bread or Corbyn being a Caretaker Leader.

Perhaps if you used your own thoughts and words to explain initially what you were trying to point out in the Richard Murphy text this might not have been questioned. As for being questioned you should expect that unless you think you are above being questioned.

Yes I am answering you back because you go too far sometimes with your supposed superior intellect by implying others do not hold a candle to your intellectual prowess.