Corbyn as caretaker

I can't believe that Caroline Lucas came up with that crackpot idea of all-woman cabinet.

Just what was she thinking?

Quite frankly stopping socialism is the last of our worries at this moment in time...

With Chuka and Jo, should the LibDems rebrand as the 'Ego-Centrist' Party? Con Dems....seems to fit.

Master stroke by Jeremy Corbyn.

Now we’ll see how really committed the likes of
@CarolineLucas

@joswinson
and Tom Watson are to stopping no deal Brexit.

I think I know the answer to that one..

The pro EU Liberal Democrats have just taken Dr Sarah Wollaston on board.

she voted:

?13x against a right to remain for EU nationals already in living in the UK
?14x against UK membership of the EU

This doctor also voted 15 times to cut benefits for disabled people.

It's project stop Socialism

POGS absolutely agree about Caroline Lucas desire for "all women cabinet" where's GN very own Misandry Officer when you need him. Unbloody believable that she somehow thinks that is acceptable and it seems she retrospectively realised she'd made a faux pas, in that all the women she wrote to, to be in this cabinet are white so much for diversity

Beckett I am not telling anyone what to do. In fact it is just the opposite. I put up what I believed might be of interest to some. Almost immediately some came in to say what seemed to translate as "this is not what you should do. I'm not going to read it." That to me seems arrogant, ignorant and deliberately rude. Had I been rude to them? No I just added a piece which I knew some would be interested in.

Next I get cross-questioned by someone on its relevance. If you don't find it relevant - pass it by. Again I find that a rudeness that can only be excused by purposeful or unintended ignorance.

No one, at any point, said you had to read what I had put on the thread. You could have read it and criticised what it was saying but no, there was both inferred and direct personal criticism. Even you Beckett, had to have a go - not at the content but at the way it is written. An anti-intellectual comment if ever I saw one.

Links are a good idea.

Corbyn as caretaker?

I cannot see it working, he has no control over his own party, let alone controlling discrete parties.
If we are considering intellectualism, then Corbyn is the wrong choice anyway.

GGMK3 So you are saying that anyone who chooses not to read long screeds copied and pasted from newspapers are anti-intellectuals? I will read a long post if it is the views, opinions and in the words of the poster.

Pantglas
I choked on my coffee when I read that.

Shall I put it very simply for the anti-intellectuals? (Who seem to think they are very clever but show themselves as just the opposite.)

OP: Corbyn as caretaker. What do people think about that?

My answer: I think there are alternatives that could work better.

POGS - that is not true either.

GG Mk 3

We obviously crossed posts!

That's answered my question. Your post had no relevance to the OP question or even Corbyn.

Got it now.

POGS - No.

GGMK3

Is your ' breakdown' in response to my question?

If it is I do not understand what connection can be made to the question of Corbyn being the Leader of a so caed Unity Party, or whatever term is used on any given day.

Did you read the post HD? It wasn't suggesting Corbyn and neither was I.

I thought this sopundced like a good idea - until I heard that the interim government would be led by JC (of whom I used to be a fan). Has he really still not got the message that he is not respected enough? Why spoil a good idea instead of putting forward a respected MP like Ken Clarke as leader of the house. Not impressed by Jo Swinton(?)'s reaction either - one would almost think she would prefer to crash out of the EU. Heaven forfend that she should go along with something the LP has suggested.

I thought we might break it down a bit.

So what of 2020 in this case? I would live [love] to think that a coalition dedicated to these things might be elected:

Electoral reform
House of Lords reform
EU readmission on revised terms
A national economic plan.

I think there are a few people all the parties (excepting the hard Brexiteers would follow) Someone suggested Ken Clarke on one programme this morning. I think there would be a few others too.

This government should, I suggest, seek a mandate for no more than two years.

I think it would have to be something like that.

Then there would be new elections and a referendum on the terms for re-admission to the EU.

Any new referendum would have to be related to specific terms or we would be going through what we are going through at the moment.

It is my hope that by then the EU may also have realised reform is essential and that changes in the free movement of people and capital and the use of People!s QE to fund infrastructure would have all been possible. I have to live in hope, but the circumstances for change could have been created by Brexit.

In my personal view that would help to make all the rubbish we have been through worth-while but I am not sure all groupings in the EU parliament would agree. I thought this might also be interesting for some. (If you don't find it interesting you really don't have to so rude as to tell me. I am really not interested in such personal hostility to knowledge).

Group of the European Peoples' Party (Christian Democrats). This is the largest group at the Parliament with 275 MEPs.

The Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats. This group includes 195 MEPs.

Group of the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe. This group includes 85 MEPs.

Group of the Greens/European Free Alliance. This group includes 58 MEPs.

Confederal Group of the European United Left/Nordic Green Left. This group includes 34 MEPs.

European Conservatives and Reformists. This group includes 56 MEPs.

Europe of Freedom and Democracy Group. This group includes 33 MEPs.

Non-attached members (these members are not affiliated with any political grouping). There are 29 non-attached MEP's.

MEPs do not sit in groups according to their nationality. They sit with a political group and use the secretarial services available to that group. They act independently and cannot be obliged to vote in any particular way. There is no party whip so if they do not want to go along with the party policy, they can vote their own way.

Heaven forfend!

well Beckett, I hear you. And yet- I am very grateful for articles that help me understand this awful and destructive debâcle. No-one is requesting you to read them if you don't want to.

I will admit to being 'biased' - I'll scan all long articles quickly, but will only take the time to re-read carefully those that seem to really make sense. And I'll admit to another bias- it is very often related to the poster, somehow and where it comes from.

I bypass great long stitherums as well.

As for Hammond and Swinson as a double act- heaven forbid.

I'm another who doesn't read long screeds copied from newspapers - surely a forum is about the views and opinions of the posters, not copied and pasted opinions of journalists (who all have their own axe to grind).

GGMM3

Can I politely ask :-

What do you think is in your link to Richard Murphy that answers the question of the thread and Corbyn becoming a Caretaker Leader.?

I feel I am missing something!

I think it's called anti-intellectualism, Ug.

I think you could be right Maizie. It's not exactly a "huge article after all.

Jo Swinson has ruled it out for the Lib Dems. Obviously they are in the position of taking seats from Labour so they have a lot to play for and to be fair they do not hold with Corbyns far left ideology.

Ex Tories who now sit as Independents will decide their position e.g Nick Bowles will meet him, Caroline Spellman has said she will not.

SNP will probably say yes because Corbyn/Labour will give them a 2nd Scottish Independence Referendum. Who says backroom deals are only for the Tories and DUP!

As for The Greens they want AN ALL FEMALE Cabinet of Unity so I think they would look like hypocrites to place A MAN at the helm. Is that not the most sexist thing you have heard by the way? People shout loudly when they feel Mysogyny has been spouted but when it's an out and out case of Mysandry they get away with it. Why?

Plaid Cwmru?

DUP, you must be joking given the history of Corbyn/John McDonnell et.

Maizie- anti experts too - and this is just how we have got in such a mess. Thanks for the article GGMK3 , spot on.