Corbyn as caretaker

Annieb : 'Jura I did say ‘racism harms the country’ not ‘some racism harms the country’'

yes, I know- my comment did address the fact wou only seem to ever comment on 'one kind of', which is certainly not the most virulent or prevalent.

Don't always agree with Grandad, but he always takes the time to respond clearly, intelligently and with evidence - unlike some who just throw in personal insults and blatant prejudice or even ... nonsense. Thank you Grandad.

Fiachna56 I hope you decide to stay with GN. I understand people are passionate about certain things, especially politics, but I have never seen the point of insulting people because they hold a different opinion.

I have a friend who I describe as being to the left of Jeremy Corbyn, my political views tend to be middle of the road - with no allegiance to any one party. We often have discussions about politics yet we have never once insulted each other - so it is possible.

The bane of the working classes ....seems to me it’s his only chance of grabbing power ( let’s face it his own party don’t look on him as a natural born leader) but it ain’t gonna happen Jeremy not in this world or the next!

It will be interesting to see what comes out of the discussions between those who do not want a no-deal deal.

I notice that one of my correspondents this morning (email not here) feels that:

Jo Swinson has released a letter claiming that Jeremy Corbyn puts the No Confidence vote in doubt with his arrogant refusal to stand aside for the 'less divisive' Ken Clarke. The dirty little secret here is that Swinson's real enemy is Corbyn and the SNP, not the Tories. And vice versa. Ultimately, they are competing for roughly 50 per cent of voters. Similarly, Johnson's real threat is the Brexit Party, not the Remainers: no leader, anymore, is making any effort to cross the Leave-Remain divide.

They may be right.

Fiachna56 please reconsider your decision to leave GN, although it maybe right to avoid some threads, much as I generally avoid threads related to gardening.

I think Grandad is allowed to reply in the way he chooses Fiachna56 (Tue 27-Aug-19 10:02:50). That is how the discussion moves forward.

I think people have the wrong impression here. Of course all racism needs to be fought, but since I thought the discussion was about Mr Corbyn and I happened to see the Panorama programme that is what I commented on. I really did not understand why Grandad had replied with his comments regarding the Tory Party. I am not, never have been and never will be a Tory supporter. I also am not Islamophobic. To be honest, I have lost faith in politicians and firmly believe they are just out to support themselves. There is not a politician at present who actually cares about this country as in the UK. I have no faith in any of the parties or their leaders. Again, this is a thread I will withdraw from and possibly just withdraw from Gransnet altogether. There are an awful lot of people who really jump to alot of conclusions and some pretty nasty, without knowing a thing about me. You can all get on with it. Before I go, just remember, politicians love to divide and rule. I think this country is in a deep, deep crisis which politicians themselves caused. We, as a people need to be uniting as there are going to be tough times ahead. Instead we are all fighting each other on these forums. People really need to sit down and listen to each other and not jump to conclusions. Goodbye and all the best.

As a non-political person I am wondering what happens if the "temporary" government fails to get an extension to Article 50. Will they still hold a general election or will they remain in "temporary" control

As far as I can see, Grandad1948 responds to posts and answers questions. Why is that 'commandeering ' a thread.

Jura I did say ‘racism harms the country’ not ‘some racism harms the country’

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It does indeed - but all racism, not jsut the kind that seems to paticularly bother you personally. This is NOT a competition, all racism is bad, and all should be fought vigorously - but it seems to me that many who are shouting 'antisemitism' are quite 'happy' to ignore rampant Islamophobia in this Government, the Tory party overall, institutions, the work place and society at large.

Racism does damage the country

Fiachna56 in regard to your post @-22:36 (26/08/19) you speak of "the infighting and antisemitism" in the Labour party. However, the Labour Party being a Party of opposition, hence, any disagreement or Prejudice in that party does not damage the country.

Within the Tory party who are the party of government at this time, we see major disagreement and infighing to such an extent that it has brought this country into the largest political and constitutional crisis this nation has faced in more than seventy-five years.

Also, Islamophobia in the Tory party is in all probability far larger that antisemitism in the Labour party. However, the Tory executive will not even launch any kind of investigation into the widespread problem, despite countless media reports on the matter.

Just keep it all swept under the carpet.

Mr Corbyn is not leader material and I am more than a little concerned by the recent Panorama programme about anti-Semitism within the Labour Party. In my opinion if the Labour Party does not change and start addressing the in-fighting, anti-Semitism and many other things that are allegedly going on they are finished. The left hand does not know what the right hand is doing in that party.

RosieLeah, you are in the wrong thread for Brexit to be forgotten, for that is what this thread is all about.

So POGS, you are appalled and do not support it would seem any of the efforts that are being made by those trying to avoid Britain being brought to disastrous no-deal Brexit.

However, in that, you have no solutions to put forward of your own volition for others to dwell on and consider.

The above many would view as being criticism of a stance, without suggestion of how that stance could and should be changed

Grandad.

"So, POGS please explain how that is "kicking the can down the road" as you put it. Also, could you state how you view the present constitutional crisis being resolved if not through a Temporary government or backbenchers taking control of the Parliamentary order paper?"
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Extending Article 50 by a Government of Unity and then after a General Election the same arguments, the same calls to REVOKE Article 50 will surface and more months of wrangling will follow. That is kicking the can down the road.

How I view things is I voted to Remain by a thread. I accepted the Referendum as a democratic process and was willing to abide by the outcome either way. I have been disgusted at the name calling and political shenanigans on 'BOTH' sides of the argument. I like many others want a deal to be struck and pragmatism to come from ALL parties in the negotiations , Westminster, EU, Leave, Remain but there is a fat chance of that and September 3rd when Parliament resits I will no doubt hold the same view as the same backroom deals, squalid shenanigans will start all over again.

So to be honest I have not a bloody clue how it can be resolved in answer to your personal question to me.
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"Perhaps POGS you would rather see Britain "crash out" of the European Union at the end of October with no-deal and all that would mean for the security of this nations food, drugs and fuel supplies. Perhaps I should add to that hundreds of thousands of jobs in manufacturing industries."
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Perhaps POGS would NOT rather see Britain ' crash out' of the European Union at the end of October with no deal!

Nowhere on any thread has POGS said she believes in No Deal for the past 3/4 years.

At least you didn't blame for ' people dying' as I have been accused of on another thread but forgive me for saying it appears on several threads that it is the ' assumption' made by many, for no reason what so ever, that I want NO DEAL. Other than I ask questions, raise points that some don't like I wonder where this stems from.

I hope you had an enjoyable Bank Holiday.

POGS, whatever the Lib Dems, Greens or any other political body state would be put to the test in a General Election that would follow the Extension of Article fifty by the Temporary Government.

So, POGS please explain how that is "kicking the can down the road" as you put it. Also, could you state how you view the present constitutional crisis being resolved if not through a Temporary government or backbenchers taking control of the Parliamentary order paper?

Perhaps POGS you would rather see Britain "crash out" of the European Union at the end of October with no-deal and all that would mean for the security of this nations food, drugs and fuel supplies. Perhaps I should add to that hundreds of thousands of jobs in manufacturing industries.

Grandad

"That point would be to get the European Union to agree to an extension of Article Fifty and so in that avoiding Britain "crashing out" of the EU at the end of October with no-deal.

With that obtained, that temporary government would then call a general election and stand down. "
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Kicking the can down the road then!

Extending Article 50 is not what the political parties see as a final solution, it is a temporary fix.

In the Government of Unity the Lib Dems/Greens state they do not want ARTICLE 50 extended they want it REVOKED. They would go along with it for a while but what then?, How long before the same old, same old problems surface. How many more years of Westminster wrangling /shenanigans must we put up with?

It is wishful thinking to believe a Corbyn lead Government of Unity is United, it is anything but United but the bluster and bravado coming forth has been enough for some to believe in their dishonesty.

No point in having another referendum as the “Lib Dems” have stated that they will only respect a “remain” result.......?

POGS, in regard to your above post @-15:06 that, the members of any temporary government formed should this shambles of a current government fall would not be required to agree on anything but one very salient point. That point would be to get the European Union to agree to an extension of Article Fifty and so in that avoiding Britain "crashing out" of the EU at the end of October with no-deal.

With that obtained, that temporary government would then call a general election and stand down.

The polices of all three main parties that are to be placed before the electorate in that General Election are laid out and have been discussed on this forum any number of times in recent weeks, especially the Labour Party policy in regard to a second referendum.

What happens to the running of the UK under a Government of Unity that does not / cannot agree as to how the UK should be run?

It would be a one trick pony government that does kick the fan down the road and probably even more confusing to the electorate in the UK and the EU.

Kicking the can down the road in perpetuity is I think the possibly the aim.

What is the Government of Unity United on?

Can anybody tell me?

Other than wanting ' NO DEAL ' how are they ' united '?

What will the Government of Unity tell The EU?

We do but we don't want to Revoke Article 50, depends who you talk to.

We do but we don't want to renegotiate the Withdrawal Agreement, depends who you talk to.

We do but we don't want to Remain in the EU, depends who you talk to.

We do but we don't agree who should be the ' unelected' Leader, depends who you talk to.

We do but we don't know if there will be a General Election and we will not be in power, depends who you talk to.

We do and we don't agree to abide by the result of another Referendum, depends who you talk to.

Hell, We do but we don't even agree we even respect each other as the name calling proves.

GracesGranMK3 Quote [ It does all depend on a no-confidence vote being successful though Grandad. I feel no confidence myself in that being the case.] End Quote.

That could well be the case GracesGranMK3, for should such a motion fail yet again then it would be "all over" I feel for preventing Britain crashing out of the European Union.

However, we can only hope that common sense will prevail where it has not prevailed previously.