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...I hadn't realised till recently that she went to a comprehensive school...

She was also very good in the interview she gave tonight. Not sure what channel it was on as we were channel hopping.

Jo Swinson was brilliant on tonight's Channel 4 debate on climate change.

www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/nov/28/general-election-labour-launches-environment-policies-as-johnson-wary-of-tv-climate-debate-live

We need to make sure we have a target for all new build homes to be zero carbon. The Conservatives scrapped those plans, but Liberal Democrats would ensure all new homes are carbon zero by 2021. @joswinson at the #ClimateDebate

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And prior to that? Labour, Tony Blair and his sidekick Gordon overspent. They pinched the profits of the pension schemes because as Gordon said they shouldn’t be taking payment breaks, non of his business but he still stole from their pots just as BA, BT and other large employers. WFTC was the biggest giveaway in history in 2005 to prop up big business lack of paying anymore than minimum wage. labour passed on all this plus then the financial crash. It’s a fact the Tories have always had to clean up after the reds.

Austerity was necessary due to the usual overspend by Labour. It looks like they are going for it again as well.

Do you have a problem with facts, CoolioC?

Labour did not 'overspend'. Labour had to contend with the effects of the Global Financial Crisis, which could have resulted in our high street banks completely failing and huge sections of the UK population losing all their money. If it hadn't been for their prompt action in injecting some £200 billion + of quantitative easing into the economy, taking over some banks and guaranteeing people's bank deposits we would have been in a very sorry state. We were, in fact, recovering from the effects of the GFA before the tories won the 2010 general election. It was the tory 'austerity' policy that kept us in a depression for far longer than we need to have done.

Two articles to read

Can Labour be blamed for the economic crisis?

www.economicshelp.org/blog/14006/economics/can-labour-be-blamed-for-the-economic-crisis/

The role of the media in 'rewriting' the narrative of the economic crisis:

neweconomics.opendemocracy.net/media-forgot-financial-crisis-embraced-austerity/

If we are to be ruled by riots, democracy is indeed dead. Might will be right and the most violent rioters will control all decisions. Mob rule will replace discussion, the weak or slow will have no voice, the old, the disabled, the sick and the timid will hide away from participation in fear of their lives.

Is that what is meant by "taking control"?

Well Varian, I didn’t riot during the poll tax riots as the poll tax suited me. I didn’t riot during the miners strike because I didn’t live that way and knew nothing of their cause. The student riots during the 60’s were a bit pre my time.

How’s that for a politicians answer! There has to be more than several to riot as well.

Are you personally threatening to riot, CoolioC?

We of course don’t know people will riot, but of course, we are from the generation that don’t just sit around and talk about it ie poll tax riots. I just think that when the Lib Dem’s seem to think they can just cancel something, they should be careful of what they wish for.

I didn’t riot during the poll tax riots because actually, the poll tax suited me, as I remember, it saved me 400£ per year.

People may feel cheated if something is just cancelled.

Austerity was necessary due to the usual overspend by Labour. It looks like they are going for it again as well.

Yes, Chestnut, that was the booklet that the Government sent: "Why the Government believes that voting to remain in the European Union is the best decision for the UK." That is not the same as telling us to vote remain. Obviously 17m people did not think so either.

You ask: "Anyone know how much that cost?"
You claim: "The remain side cheated big time and used taxpayers' money to do so!"

I don't know how much the booklet cost. What I do know is that Vote Leave was fined after being found guilty of breaking electoral law during the Brexit campaign.

No doubt you are also interested in the Vote Leave propaganda:
www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jul/17/vote-leave-broke-electoral-law-and-british-democracy-is-shaken

Extracts from the above:

Most British elections are guaranteed by law. If evidence of serious cheating is uncovered they can be scrutinised and overturned in an “election court”, overseen by high court judges.
However, because the Brexit referendum was only an advisory vote there are no legal channels to challenge the result. Only parliament can investigate the result, declare it void or demand a re-run.
Nor have the powerful politicians who fronted the flawed Vote Leave campaign faced direct censure, even as the country is rocked by the tumultuous fallout from a vote that is now known to be flawed.
The Electoral Commission’s report established that BeLeave was operating as an arm of Vote Leave, which had won official status and the taxpayer money that entailed, partly by recruiting Conservative party luminaries.

Chestnut and CoolioC you are both relying on people having changed their mind in who they will vote for as MP from the last election, so as to achieve a working majority for the Tories. Why then will you not allow for the fact the country as a whole may want to change their mind about Brexit, now they see the full implication. And CC, threatening rioting is just low, riots are never democratic.

Greta - in 2016 the Government paid for a 16 page propaganda booklet to be put through every door in the country, telling us why we should vote to remain in the EU. Anyone know how much that cost?
The remain side cheated big time and used taxpayers' money to do so!

CoolioC I'm in that figure and I'm not rioting. I'm just going to vote to try to end austerity.
So far as Swinson is concerned. I have had 3 leaflets from the Lib Dems and it seems like enough pictures of Swinson to wallpaper the loo. Her party really need to stop trying to make her a thing.
It only fact in the last one was a list of policies which both Labour and Lib Dem have pledged and a couple even the Tories have, with a cross against their names and a tick against the Lib Dems. Every leaflet they have put out has lied in one way or another. Not just promises that people are cynical about but actual dishonest statements of checkable facts. It is so unnecessary. They could just set out their policies without lying about the policies of the other parties.

Watch the 17m riot, believe you me, they will.

Jibberish Varian? You certainly know about that and you sound like a party political broadcast. Believe what you want, it’s not jibberish and the Lib Dem’s were always known as Whets, still are too.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies' have judged that neither the Tories or Labour have a credible plan for the economy.

Only the Liberal Democrats are being frank about your money and how we'd spend it.

twitter.com/LibDems/status/1200048864180539394?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

What utter jibberish!

Chestnut, I agree, a general election was called to end the deadlock regarding not being able to implement Brexit or anything else to do with leaving the EU leaving more and more uncertainty. If people vote tactically, all they are voting for is more of the same. This will be the same people who moan about the MP’s not having any balls! Don’t be offended please on behalf of women, it bores me, just like the continual saga of Brexit.

I note Varian hasn’t come back regarding your reply as in fact she hasn’t come back regarding her German friend who despite being a top athlete etc etc not being able to vote. Guess she has never mixed with the general bog standard tax payer or those on benefits who cannot make ends meet. These type of people just make me think Class system idiots.

I imagine it’s the one every household in uk received from the government to persuade us to remain in the EU - some people received more than one.

Jo and those around her decided she was going to be the next PM and I don't understand why they came to this conclusion?

Chestnut: So stop accusing the leave side of lying because the remain side were in my opinion much worse. Especially as taxpayers were forced to pay for remain propaganda in the form of that leaflet which came through our doors. Disgusting.

Which leaflet are you referring to?

Ah Varian, have you found the answer to my question yet?
How can you justify that remain leaflet that leave voters had to pay for? That was misuse of taxpayers' money.

The Liberal Democrats are the party of small business and enterprise, if an entrepreneurs’ election hustings held this week was anything to go by.

Sir Ed Davey, the party’s deputy leader, was the big winner of the event held in the City, with 54 per cent of the audience of more than 100 small business owners, investors and freelancers backing him at the end of a Question Time-style debate with political rivals.

His closest competition came from a beleaguered Liz Truss, the Conservative trade secretary, who was supported by only 24 per cent in the “exit poll”, down 12 points on their intitial vote

Sky News is hardly impartial. It is true that a survey showed that the more leave voters see of Jo Swinson the more they dislike her, because she gives a clear message they don't want to hear - that the UK would be better off in every way if we stop brexit. However the opposite is true of Remain voters - the more they see of Jo the more they like her and the Liberal Democrats.