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Is Prince Andrew's protestation too little too late?

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Tillybelle Tue 20-Aug-19 15:43:30

I think the Palace would have been wiser to have kept silent. It's short statement, filled with all with all the strong emotional words describing what any decent person feels concerning child abuse, only begs the question;

Why now?

Why so strong, now? Everyone knew this a decade ago. Andrew knew his friend had made a deal to avoid these kinds of charges in 2008. Why become so appalled now when he, Andrew, stood by Epstein even after some of his offending came to light?

Epstein died in a New York prison cell on 10 August as he awaited, without the chance of bail, his trial on sex trafficking charges.

In the announcement made on Sunday 18th August, Prince Andrew has said how appalled he is about the sexual behaviour with young girls his former friend Jefferey Epstein is accused of.

Yet he kept in contact with the billionaire sex offender after his 2008 conviction. He knew then that Epstein was on the Sex Offenders Register (USA). The photo of the two men walking in Central Park in 2010 led to serious criticism of the prince concerning his judgement about spending time with a sex offender and staying at his house. He was himself photographed with his arm around 17 year old scantily clad Virginia Roberts at Epstien's house, where he is also filmed smiling and waving through the door at young girls leaving.
To quote Jonny Dymond, BBC Royal Reporter:
"But to see him inside Epstein's house, as young women come and go, looking for all the world as if he was a happy house-guest, is a disturbing sight. And strong though the palace statement may be it, it fails to answer the central question.
Just what was Prince Andrew doing visiting the house of a convicted paedophile?"

It seems far too late, for me, that the Palace issue this statement after the death of Epstein. Why did not the Prince dissociate himself from this man's vile behaviour in 2008?
This was when he received an 18-month prison sentence, after a controversial secret plea deal, when he avoided up to 45 years in prison if convicted of sex trafficking and conspiracy charges, to which he pleaded not guilty, by instead pleading guilty to a lesser charge of soliciting a minor for prostitution.

It is too striking that this public protest of revulsion about the depravity of his erstwhile friend's activities has been made suddenly after that man's death.

Could it be that while Jefferey Epstein was still alive, there was a reason why he could not say, "the suggestion he would condone, participate in or encourage any such behaviour is abhorrent." ? Would his erstwhile friend, perhaps, have testified with evidence to suggest otherwise?

Tillybelle Wed 21-Aug-19 15:35:01

Anniebach
"Sorry but I will not take part in ‘wink,wink’ gossip".
I agree with you about that. I didn't mean to give rise to it. It was in the newspapers at one time. I am not in a position to find it now. Yes, I do fear saying exactly what it is. I would imagine that somebody in our wide network will remember though.

Anniebach Wed 21-Aug-19 15:30:53

I can Callistemon have no connections with them ?

Callistemon Wed 21-Aug-19 15:28:19

I think we could safely name King Herod and King Richard III, Anniebach, MawB without being sued or bumped off

Tillybelle Wed 21-Aug-19 15:26:46

MawB Re your question:
Should we be curtsying to you * Tillybelle* ?

If you enjoy curtsying, then please feel free to do so. I do not mind either way.

sunseeker Wed 21-Aug-19 14:57:01

I can't believe there are posters who are blaming the girls! As has been pointed out, numerous times, they were groomed to think this was normal.

Do those posters also believe that a woman who drinks a bit too much or wears a short skirt is to blame if she is assaulted - after all they would know some men are incapable of controlling themselves.

gillybob Wed 21-Aug-19 14:56:13

grin Anniebach

Maybe, just maybe, the person who "did the deed" knew about the LBB and didn't want it to become public knowledge? I wonder who will have access to his safe or safety deposit box ? I think his brother is his sole heir?

Anniebach Wed 21-Aug-19 14:52:10

Wonder why he didn’t say ‘ don’t try getting rid of me I have everything on record in my little black book’

gillybob Wed 21-Aug-19 14:48:04

I agree with you GillT57 Of course he didn't commit suicide, he had to be got rid of just in case he spoke up in court, or worse, told someone just where to find his "little black book".

GillT57 Wed 21-Aug-19 14:20:35

Exactly Anniebach, I assume he would have been advised against it and chose to defy said advice, so on his head be it. Disgusting man. I wonder what his daughters think?

Anniebach Wed 21-Aug-19 14:18:04

After Epstein’s conviction in 2008 there can be no excuses for
Andrew continuing the friendship

GillT57 Wed 21-Aug-19 14:08:16

as ever, a caring response from you Rosieleah, your life must be so perfect. I must look out for your response on the thread about children living in B&B and shipping containers, you probably think it is their own fault.

janipat Wed 21-Aug-19 14:06:41

I despair! RosieLeah have you ever heard of grooming? JE groomed very young girls, they did not suddenly appear at age 17 worldly wise and knowing what they were getting into. And besides which the age of consent in Florida is 18.

GillT57 Wed 21-Aug-19 14:04:49

Prince Andrew chose to spend time with a convicted sex trafficer/paedophile after the conviction, presumably against palace advice so he will have to sort this mess out himself. It is all the more disgusting because Andrew's own daughters were of the same age as the victims of Epstein. For the record, I don't think Epstein committed suicide, if he did, it was not voluntarily, he had a lot of famous friends who needed him out of the way, Trump included. They all disgust me.

RosieLeah Wed 21-Aug-19 14:00:11

I don't think a girl of 17 can be classed as a child. They will have known very well what they were doing, and were probably well-paid for their services. Image living the high life, having sex with an English prince...I bet the girls were fighting to be first in line.

Anniebach Wed 21-Aug-19 13:56:02

May we have the proof please ?

blondenana Wed 21-Aug-19 13:49:25

Remember lord Mountbatten has been added into the mix now according to the latest news
Had a penchant for young boys, why it has only just been mentioned i thought it was quite well known years ago,
Like a lot of these stories that have been denied, even though there is proof of some

mabon1 Wed 21-Aug-19 13:15:08

t Princehe second son of the Queen should have been more discerning of the company he kept.

Anniebach Wed 21-Aug-19 13:14:43

Then gilly you will enjoy chatting to tillybelle

gillybob Wed 21-Aug-19 13:12:59

Do you think you will be murdered or abducted

I for one wouldn't want to be taking a chance Anniebach

I am starting to seriously think that the current lot are not a lot different from their very questionable ancestors and I wouldn't trust them as far as I could pick them up and throw them.

Anniebach Wed 21-Aug-19 13:09:38

Tillybelle no I will not google. you have ‘connections’!
and am too scared to say ? Do you think you will be murdered or abducted .

Senior Male royals ? The queens husband, sons, grandsons,cousins, or her late father or late uncles, or her granfather, g grandfather, or perhaps Prince Albert.

Sorry but I will not take part in ‘wink,wink’ gossip.

MawB Wed 21-Aug-19 12:59:14

Anniebach as I have some connections I am scared to say
Should we be curtsying to you * Tillybelle* ? tcrhmm
Surely who the “ senior male* royals are is a mere matter of fact, age and seniority?
DofE, Charles, I would think, and maybe Kent and Gloucester?
Does it matter?

gillybob Wed 21-Aug-19 12:42:12

I hereby accept the award Tillybelle , assuming I don't have to pick it up at Buck House that is grin

Tillybelle Wed 21-Aug-19 12:38:23

gillybob. I award you the golden hammer! For the "Nail on the Head Champion 2019".

Tillybelle Wed 21-Aug-19 12:35:40

Anniebach Actually, the Youtube idea wasn't a good one - sorry! I just tried it and the trash that came up just horrified me so I don't recommend it. There may be some old newspaper reports. The trouble is it gets "edited" over time.

gillybob Wed 21-Aug-19 12:34:59

Is it just me but all this "the prince of , the princess of, the duchess of , the duke of ….." is starting to make me feel sick to the stomach.

Who the hell are these people? Rogues, liars, cheats, hypocrites and god knows what else and we are supposed to respect them?