Is Prince Andrew's protestation too little too late?

Perhaps Bill Clinton will say "I did not have suicide relations with that man."

I certainly wasn’t, not even allowed to have a lift home after choir practice with the headmaster.

You seem to have missed the in my post Tillybelle

Tilleybelle I know that sounds utterly crazy

Surely not.

Gonegirl
OK maybe not. Life can be strange. They say fact is stranger than fiction. I've certainly learned this to be true.

But fiction can be strange too

MawB. No. Saw it.

I'm sure you know, Maw.
When are you going to discuss the topic raised and not just make personal digs at me?

It's not the Windsor celebs that matter to us, it's the institution of monarchy that matters and is good.

I agree Alexa

Alexa

Thanks so much Alexa.

I feel so upset for the Queen.

I don't think a girl of 17 can be classed as a child. They will have known very well what they were doing, and were probably well-paid for their services. Image living the high life, having sex with an English prince...I bet the girls were fighting to be first in line

My jaw dropped at this....how on earth does HQ allow this?

Tillybelle it hadn't occurred to me to take it any other way than you were despairing with me (agreeing) I can see now you've pointed it out it could have been taken the other way, but no harm done, I didn't.

janipat. phew! relief! Thanks!

I do feel sorry for the Queen. She may at one time have been proud of Andrew who served in the Falklands war, the only one of her children to have seen action in the course of their military service, but what has he done since then?

By all accounts has let her and the rest of his family down. There are other threads on GN where posters say they feel let down by ACs. HM is not alone in that feeling.

Varian Prince Andrew has let himself, his family, the monarchy and of course his Mum down..........but she is his mum, she is probably fuming, but our love for our children is unconditional.

They infuriate us, we can see from the estrangement threads how much heartache and abuse mums experience, but the overwhelming love for our children overrides the majority of things.

When one thinks how she has had criticism of her children over so many years , Queen yes , mother yes

I'm sure most of us Grans agree with that GG13

I would be more than let down if one of my children was a predatory paedophile.

Is he a predatory paedophile ?

His friend was the predatory paedophile, his woman friend the 'madam', but perhaps PA is so dim that he thought these young girls were happy to provide services to powerful, rich old men and never gave a thought to the fact that they could have been groomed and were perhaps frightened and unable to escape.
Had he given any thought to why these girls were with Epstein he may have realised that, were it not for the privilege of their birth, they could have been his own daughters.

I'm not sure just how far maternal love would stretch. Perhaps none of us know unless tested.
Perhaps we know our children to have a sense of decency and that they would not behave like that.

So what of mothers of children who have commited horrific crimes , perhaps they know their children don’t have a sense
of decency so would know they act like that.

I remember the mother of a serial killer being asked why she
travel from Scotland to London every month to visit her son
in prison. ‘ He is my son’.

I think there are occasions when it is possible not to like what a child has done/said, but the maternal instinct is so strong and encompassing that the mothers love overrides all else.

I agree GrannyGravy