Is Prince Andrew's protestation too little too late?

Then gilly you will enjoy chatting to tillybelle

t Princehe second son of the Queen should have been more discerning of the company he kept.

Remember lord Mountbatten has been added into the mix now according to the latest news
Had a penchant for young boys, why it has only just been mentioned i thought it was quite well known years ago,
Like a lot of these stories that have been denied, even though there is proof of some

May we have the proof please ?

I don't think a girl of 17 can be classed as a child. They will have known very well what they were doing, and were probably well-paid for their services. Image living the high life, having sex with an English prince...I bet the girls were fighting to be first in line.

Prince Andrew chose to spend time with a convicted sex trafficer/paedophile after the conviction, presumably against palace advice so he will have to sort this mess out himself. It is all the more disgusting because Andrew's own daughters were of the same age as the victims of Epstein. For the record, I don't think Epstein committed suicide, if he did, it was not voluntarily, he had a lot of famous friends who needed him out of the way, Trump included. They all disgust me.

I despair! RosieLeah have you ever heard of grooming? JE groomed very young girls, they did not suddenly appear at age 17 worldly wise and knowing what they were getting into. And besides which the age of consent in Florida is 18.

as ever, a caring response from you Rosieleah, your life must be so perfect. I must look out for your response on the thread about children living in B&B and shipping containers, you probably think it is their own fault.

After Epstein’s conviction in 2008 there can be no excuses for
Andrew continuing the friendship

Exactly Anniebach, I assume he would have been advised against it and chose to defy said advice, so on his head be it. Disgusting man. I wonder what his daughters think?

I agree with you GillT57 Of course he didn't commit suicide, he had to be got rid of just in case he spoke up in court, or worse, told someone just where to find his "little black book".

Wonder why he didn’t say ‘ don’t try getting rid of me I have everything on record in my little black book’

Anniebach

Maybe, just maybe, the person who "did the deed" knew about the LBB and didn't want it to become public knowledge? I wonder who will have access to his safe or safety deposit box ? I think his brother is his sole heir?

I can't believe there are posters who are blaming the girls! As has been pointed out, numerous times, they were groomed to think this was normal.

Do those posters also believe that a woman who drinks a bit too much or wears a short skirt is to blame if she is assaulted - after all they would know some men are incapable of controlling themselves.

MawB Re your question:
Should we be curtsying to you * Tillybelle* ?

If you enjoy curtsying, then please feel free to do so. I do not mind either way.

I think we could safely name King Herod and King Richard III, Anniebach, MawB without being sued or bumped off

I can Callistemon have no connections with them ?

Anniebach
"Sorry but I will not take part in ‘wink,wink’ gossip".
I agree with you about that. I didn't mean to give rise to it. It was in the newspapers at one time. I am not in a position to find it now. Yes, I do fear saying exactly what it is. I would imagine that somebody in our wide network will remember though.

Callistemon. Not too sure about Richard III.

gillybob. you are on form today

he had to be got rid of just in case he spoke up in court,

Bull's eye!

janipat. I despair with you!

This is an issue in which I agree that the US has it right. Their age of consent and age at which a teenager is still a minor or under-age is 18.

I can remember how naive I was at 17. I was not a follower of pop idols but I trusted what older people said and did and it didn't cross my mind if a friendly and polite man started to talk to me that I should not trust him. Very often the children who are groomed are naive unworldly girls who trust people too easily.

For many years I would have imagined that a member of the Royal family would behave in a decent and caring way towards me.

My children thought that people at the BBC were respectable until one of their friends won a visit to the BBC and on being shown round was asked would she like a Blue Peter Badge? To earn it she was invited to go into a dark cupboard with a famous children's program presenter. I really have forgotten his name. My children were so upset that I was focused on them at the time.

I believe people need protection at any age really. The smooth talking con man can always cause terrible trouble to anyone no matter what their age. Paying for sex, luring women into places, keeping them there, bribing them with large sums of money, making it clear that if they talk they will be in trouble of a serious kind... this is revolting whatever the age of the women who are treated as objects. For a girl under even 20, I would say, she would be too naive to understand the implications of what might happens to her. She would be far too easily talked into meeting a famous man, far too easily willing to believe she would be treated well and all would be fine.

A person with rank, title, money, status, position, power and superiority in any way, can misuse this to get whatever he or she wants and often can get away with their crimes. It's nothing new.

Fortunately, today, the internet, immediacy of news, more records having been kept, means people who indulge in malevolent deeds are being trapped by this modern net. The surveillance around every public place, for one thing, makes it harder for them to get away with their crimes.

I am waiting for the enquiry into Epstein's death. Apparently there were no security cameras, unless I have not read correctly. However, already we are being told there are circumstances which need explaining.

I hope this won't be an everlasting "How did Epstein die?" scenario, like the terrible torment we have over the death of Diana.

I hope this won't be an everlasting "How did Epstein die?" scenario, like the terrible torment we have over the death of Diana

and like Diana we might never know the real truth Tillybelle. We will just get a version of the truth that they would like us all to believe .

janipat. Heck I'm stupid!! I've only just seen that what I said is ambiguous!!
When I said "I despair with you!" it meant I join you in your despair! I too despair about what people like RosieLeah are saying!!
Sorry if you thought otherwise!!

sunseeker. well said!

gillybob. Yes. And people will go on and on and on trying to find out what happened and who did it and why then and so on and on... What is most compelling today, is how difficult it is to find anyone who believes it was an accident.

I agree with you about young women Tillybelle and Janipat What makes things even worse for young women who find themselves being groomed is when other women blame them instead of blaming the sleazy men.

I wonder, have so many of us women been brought up to believe that if a man is well spoken and has superficially good manners then he cannot possibly be an abuser? Especially if he is a man in the public eye.