So he’s done it?

The majority of the country voted leave. I was not one of them and I was absolutely shocked at the result, however the fact remains that the majority DID vote leave. Anything other than leaving would be undemocratic.

Those protesters. What are they protesting against? The fact that we will leave? The fact that they wanted a second vote or a best of three, or rock, paper scissors?

Change-management for our leaving the EU is an enormous task. I had a taste of it (CM) during my career and all the bases have to be covered. It's quite a task.

I think people forget that we have to prepare for being out of the EU. It is happening. The revenue we save in membership 'fees'of the EU will be re-directed. The aim of leaving the EU is to give us a better future. There will be a period of transition whereby adjustments have to be made and impact has to be assessed, evaluated and analysed and I think we all appreciate that.

I agree with the poster (Tiger?) who feels we are the first to get out, but other member states will want to follow our lead.

The EU is far from stable. Its structure and leadership ought to be seriously investigated in terms of its aims and democratic accountability, imo. The citizens of Europe have their concerns, as is evident by the unrest in many member states.

I have said it before, but isn't the term 'member states' instead of 'countries' rather worrying?

The MPs who are, ass the Daily Mail might say, "moaning" are trying to save this country from disaster. So although they would normally suspend parliament during the conference season they would not have allowed this to happen this year, so would have had an extra 4 or 5 weeks extra time to legislate to stop no deal.

That is why the shameless leave liars in this government have usurped our parliamentary democracy to avoid the voice of our democratically elected MPs to be stiffled.

And you kindly come up with and example Day 6.

So why don't Remainers, who keep shouting and arguing just settle down, accept it's going to happen and see what the future holds? They cannot predict the future.

Now, what was it you said? My set of reasons for wanting out are every bit as valid and as rational as yours.

I would guess each side seems equally obnoxious to the other. You are probably right. I imagine what you call the "cultural civil war" will be around for as long as those who have gone through it are around.

And, no doubt, you will still be telling people to shut up (how dare you!) and that your views are, therefore, in your mind, more equal than theirs and they may not fight on for what they believe to be the best for their country.

If that mendacious lunatic of a 'PM' wants to claim that he is enacting the will of the people, why then does he have to shut down parliament to get his way? George Orwell predicted this..Gilead could be it's eventual denouement! Democracy? MY A**E!

Day6 'An unpleasant underbelly of society has been exposed.'

how right you are there- but it is not the peaceful, chanting groups, families and dogs even - who have been protesting at Brexit and now Progoguing -

we have seen what the face(s) of the other side look like - and it ain't pretty.

"An unpleasant underbelly of society has been exposed"

Too right Day6. The very unpleasant underbelly has been well and truly exposed in this disgusting thread:-https://www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1265634-AIBU-to-be-slightly-enjoying-remainers-explode-with-rage

and everyone seems to agree that the North East of England will probably be the hardest hit.

Varian there would normally be a 3 week recess anyway so no we have not lost 5 weeks only 2. how many debating days in 2 weeks ? 4-5.

Look, don't get me wrong I wish I could wake up and find its all been a very bad dream but that isn't going to happen is it? so as soon as we get it done the better. At least we will all know where we stand.

Those MP's who are moaning haven't come up with a better idea have they?

My set of reasons for wanting out are every bit as valid and as rational as yours.

How about listening to your own post Day 6?

I would add that, according to GNHQ as long as each side has put people in a group and is insulting them as a group that's okay. I expect the Jews could see the failing in that argument as long ago as time itself. However, that is why we can have threads like the nasty one. It's just current combative politics apparently.

What really bothers me is that the cultural civil war which will persist for years, if not decades. An unpleasant underbelly of society has been exposed.

So why don't Remainers, who keep shouting and arguing just settle down, accept it's going to happen and see what the future holds? They cannot predict the future.

The civil war stops when aggrieved, sore losers stop belly-aching.

EVERYONE, including the government knows that those who will be hardest hit will need a cushion post Brexit. Do you not appreciate that such a scenario is including in post Brexit planning? There are thousands behind the scenes beavering away and making plans to reduce the impact of (much needed) change.

Bring on October 31st. One has to hope all the Remainer bickering and sour grapes simmers down.

Perhaps some people enjoy agitation and look for rebellion and anarchy? A game plan?

' Most of the UK is behind him and applauds his tough stance'..is that a fact? If so, why are people demonstrating in the streets as we speak ?

Boris wasn't PM after Cameron because he bottled it did he not? And now everyone is saying how strong he is...

Three countries voted to remain and two to leave; is that democratic ?

the decision was NOT democratic (proven without a doubt)- and proroguing our Sovereign Parliamentary Democracy, is even less democratic. Resort to nastiness - well look at the 'other' thread and see where it comes from.

410 constituencies voted LEAVE 240 REMAIN

How can anyone call this undemocratic is beyond me! At last a Leader actually doing what the MAJORITY voted for

Worth repeating Urm.

It's good to have a PM who is not pussy-footing around. It's a shame Boris wasn't PM after Cameron. I feel he would have had the whole Brexit issue sorted well before now and we'd be moving on. May deserved the criticism she got - and Parliament rejected everything she brought back, not surprisingly.

I pity anyone who cannot see the sense of Boris's approach. Most of the UK is behind him and applauds his tough stance, (although most Remainer posters on Gransnet will deny it. of course. Par for the course.)

Grandad wrote - it is useless trying to explain anything rational to leavers for they are not rational people

And so the abuse of Leave voters and the demeaning, the insulting continues.

My set of reasons for wanting out are every bit as valid and as rational as yours.

How imperious. Your lack of respect and your needing to demean people who don't share your views says so much about you and other Remainers - those who resort to nastiness because they cannot change a democratic decision.

Does anyone know how many gagging orders are in place these days? I ask because someone I knew posted something anti Brexit that someone else had said and had to remove it as it was pointed out that person worked for the NHS and could lose their job...

There is a lot of talk about the "decision" to leave that assumes it was inevitable once the referendum had been voted on. It wasn't.

There are two ways in which democracy can be managed.

One is direct democracy - the electorate vote on each topic (given all the appropriate, accurate and unbiased facts, of course) and the results are made into law. This is the kind of democracy that was used in Athens - except that women, foreigners and slaves couldn't vote, meaning that probably no more than 30 percent of the total adult population could, and you had to vote in public after attending the long speeches in person. The adult male citizens entitled to vote in the assembly would have been some 30,000, but not all of these would always be present. When they were, for an important debate, it must have been more like a rabble.

The other is representational democracy, where someone is chosen from each group to represent them at meetings, those representatives then discuss potential laws and vote to accept or reject them. This was (almost) the kind of democracy practised in Iceland since the tenth centuty. Once a year the 48 chieftains of the clans (who were not elected, they were there because they were powerful) sat on a central platform. Each chieftain had two advisors who sat in front and behind him. Each chieftain also had the right to choose 12 of his people to bring with him, who could advise him but not discuss directly or vote. These were not on the platform, but camped nearby ready to talk with their chief about things. The total number would be about 1,752, with 146 on the platform and voting.

It would be very cumbersome for a large population like the UK to have direct democracy, so we have representative democracy. Each one of us does NOT have a right to a personal direct vote on each measure. We vote for a representative who votes according to what he deems the wishes and the benefit of his electorate (and according to his/her own conscience, which the voters took into account when they chose him/her.)

Why do Remainers moan about a narrow yes vote to leave when if it had been the other way round they wouldn't have found it a problem.

I could ask wicklowwinnie why you, whatever your leaning on this subject, have to be so puerile in your description of a whole group of people you just happen to disagree with.

If you actually want an answer I suggest you don't malign the people you want it from although I doubt that you did. You just wanted to spew your ill-temper on a group who somehow don't seem individual human beings to you.

An important effect of ending the Parliamentary session and starting a new session in October, is that the Government can bring Theresa May’s Withdrawal Agreement back to Parliament without having to change it in any way and without needing to ask permission from the Speaker.

Perhaps, under the imminent threat of a No Deal Exit at the end of October, MPs will reluctantly pass it, Backstop and all.
This could have been Boris’s devious plan all along.

Labaik

'Once we leave, others will follow - the whole EU house of cards will come tumbling down.'...you know that for a fact do you? Sounds a bit 'project fear'ish to me.

Of course I don’t know that for a fact - it’s an opinion, this is a forum for discussion, opinions firm part of that.
As for it being project fear - that’s for remainers, seems to me that they love a bit of doom and gloom prediction - For me? Project fear? Not at all, I suggested others following us after we exit, EU collapsing after our exit and after wounds are licked- rebuilding just for trade - Not something I would fear at all, I’d welcome it.

..from facebook..'it's the ending of the Parliamentary session, meaning all legislation not already passed gets binned. The new session starts with a clean slate. So, all approx 600 pieces of Brexit legislation needing to be passed also get binned.' is this correct and, if so what are the implications??

Tigertooth But the majority voted to leave so we’ll leave.

I understand that suits your argument but it isn't fact. There was majority to leave in an advisory referendum. That was legally true at the time and is still legally true. Parliament will decide and many good people have been trying to make the work for the good of the country, taking into account the small majority. Sadly many voters were misled I to believing it was going to be easy - it never was.

Why do Remainers moan about a narrow yes vote to leave when if it had been the other way round they wouldn't have found it a problem?