So he’s done it?

I cannot see how not following a democratic vote is just. I doubt this suspension will hold. I hope it does, anything to get us out. I am so fed up with bad losers not accepting a referenudum. They need to deal with what was democratically decided. It's a shame a lot didn't get out of bed to vote, perhaps they will next time.

Day6- don't you think that debate and disagreements should be happening within our Parliamentary Democracy as well.

How would you feel if GN said - we will close all posts from Remainers on the Forum?

Go Boris! ???

I am fully aware that you disagree Day6. Par for the course.

Indeed *Jura, given you are a Remainer and I a Leaver. There would be little or no debate or need for a message board if we were all in agreement.

Great post newnanny which I somehow missed as this thread is moving so quickly!

There is a stalemate in parliament MP's overwhelmingly voted to leave EU. They cannot agree on what they want. 3 times they rejected May's deal as will not agree to accept the back stop but EU refuses to remove it so logically if result of referendum is to be respected then to leave with no deal is only option left. Suspending parliament is a normal action, Brown and Major both did so with no hooha. It is only the timing in terms of Brexit that can be deemed contentious. This parliament has run from 2017 which is longer than most parliament sittings without pausing for Queen's speech to set out new political agends

Spot on, and vital information for those who imagine what's happened is some sort of stitch-up.

The only stitch-up to date is the action of a disgraceful parliament so intent on remaining in the EU that it has sought to block our leaving at every turn {hmm]

It happens when those who are more interested in making personal comments rather than discussing politics arrive Firecracker. Just as you have just done, in fact.

that is about the level of the debate from one side Fc123- bravo.

Lots of sour grape posts on here today it seems.

To quote the song "Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am, stuck in the middle with you"

I despair, he really does seem to be the UK version of Trump, in that if he doesn't get his own way, he throws his toys out of the pram.

I am fully aware that you disagree Day6. Par for the course.

The EU is not being intrasigeant- it is clear, and always was- that they cannot agree to a Deal that puts the UK, a leaving member, into a better position than its own members. That would apply to any association, society or club, political, business, or otherwise. And a Deal that would directly threaten one of its own members. It is quite simple, really - not quite sure why you can't see it.

Marc François said today that ERG would not agree to a Deal even if it removes the backstop. So who is being intransigeant and unreasonable here? It is perfectly clear that they never ever wanted a Deal- but campaigned on promising a Deal to try and hide their game - avoiding the new EU Directives on Tax Avoidance and Tax havens. Their aim right from the start.

Lord Adonis is right - the only reason Johnson and ERG want to prorogue, is because they are running scared of the coalition, and because they know people have changed their mind, are now aware of the real dangers, and demographics have changed. They are doing so out of sheer weakness- with all the posturing and shouting of the weak and dubious.

www.facebook.com/LordAndrewAdonis/videos/2396741370606588/

Queen's said yes. interesting article

Whether or not you favour my comments about the quality of your posts about Brexit are absolutely irrelevant to me.

None of your posts sound like they’ve come from any other source Day - your lefty comment is so predictable. Which edition did you lift it from?

How about commenting on the issue SirChenjin? Any chance of that?

Taking cheap shots at posters who believe differently from you does you no favours.

None of your posts sound like they’ve come from any other source Day - your lefty comment is so predictable. Which edition did you lift it from?

I was just thinking that with so many expressing eloquently why this is a deeply shocking and undemocratic action, that I didn't need to add my voice.
Then I saw Firecracker's, comment, sigh, the EU is not unelected nor does it create and pass laws without the input of the 27 member states, of which we are one, every EU law is one we have voted for. Why do people not understand this? Can they not read? Have they learnt nothing in the past three years if not before???

Exactly varian

Desperate leavers clutching at desperate straws. Remain has it and they know it - otherwise such desperate tactics wouldn’t be necessary from the idiots at No 10

Have you been at the Daily Mail again Day?

Oh bless. Do try to come up with a better sneer that that old hackneyed one so loved by the desperate left SirChenjin

I thought you were better than that.

Lessismore
what is the point of this snidely little comment
No point: just an observation.

Thanks POGS, for your post (above) bringing clarity to the thread and enlightening those posters who'd like to imagine we have some sort of parliamentary crisis.

Have you been at the Daily Mail again Day? He may have garnered support from the extremists who don’t understand what they’re voting for but enjoy a bit of flag waving, but that isn’t translating to wide support.

Perhaps the Queen in private is happy we are leaving the EU why would she want her country to be ruled by unelected bureaucrats in Brussels.

These people do not know the meaning of democracy.

At the time of the fraudulent referendum, more than 16 million British people voted Remain.

Does anyone seriously claim that more than 16 million people voted for a no deal brexit? Most leave voters must have believed that we would leave with a great deal because that was what they were promised by the Leave Liars, including Boris Johnson.

For more than two years opinion polls which asked how you would vote if you had another chance to vote have consistently shown a majority for REMAIN.

Remainers who won't accept the result are the ones who are damaging our democracy. BJ is to be applauded for his stance

Indeed, Opal

Boris is (amazingly) showing as PM, how perceptive and strong he is. He is gaining many fans. (Few on Gransnet, granted, but beyond these message boards people are cheering him on.)

He is being decisive when it matters. Well done Prime Minister.

That to GracesGran

beta.parliament.uk/articles/jbJM4p4H

Queen's Speech
In: Prorogation and the Queen's Speech

The Queen’s Speech is the centrepiece of the State Opening of Parliament: the official start of the new session. It normally takes place in May, but this can vary, particularly in a year when a general election is held.

The speech itself is written by the Government and is delivered by the Queen in the Chamber of the House of Lords. Its main function is to announce the Government’s priorities and to list the bills that they plan to introduce in the coming session.

MPs are summoned to the Lords Chamber by Black Rod (a Lords official) to watch the Queen deliver her speech.

When the ceremony is complete, MPs return to the Commons Chamber and begin debating the contents of the speech. The debate usually takes place over six days, with each day being assigned to a policy area, such as ‘the economy’ or ‘home affairs’.
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beta.parliament.uk/collections/KMBNw26C

Prorogation is the formal end of a session. This is not the same as dissolution, which is the formal end of a Parliament.

Prorogation of Parliament is the normal process Governments of ' All ' colours use to end one session to start another by using the Queens Speech to set out the government's plans for the next year or so.

Examples, in 2016 Parliament was closed for four working days, while in 2014 it was closed for 13 days.

This year, Parliament would be suspended for 23 working days before the new Queen's speech on 14 October.

This includes the period Parliament suspends for the Autumn Party Conferenceseason which ' ALL' Political Parties are holding and none have cancelled.

Lib Dems - Bournemouth: 14 - 17 September 2019.

Labour - Brighton from Saturday 21 September to Wednesday 25 September.

Conservatives - Manchester 29th September – 2nd October 2019.

Green Party - Autumn Conference 2019 - 4-6 October, ICC Wales

Plaid Cymru - October 4TH-5TH at Swansea Grand Theatre, Swansea.

SNP - Aberdeen 13‐15 October, 2019.

There are 2 points of views.

1). The government is doing this to get a No Deal through.

2) The government needs to provide a Queen's Speech to set out government plans/set out it's domestic program.

The last Queen's Speech was in 2017 and it was cancelled in 2018 and the government has ironically been chastised for that and seen by many to not be getting to grips with 'domestic' issues.

I understand the controversy but I find it odd something that is quite normal procedure is not understood and some comments are rather odd if the conversation is about the use of proroging Parliament.