So he’s done it?

I haven't seen this before but it looks genuine. This is the sort of 'information' that people were given prior to the referendum...

The Irish problem??? Have you any knowledge of history JN, hardly comparable to Scotland or Jersey

Having thought about it this evening, I've realised that, as someone who lived in Birmingham at the time of the pub bombings and lived in Manchester where we were constantly being evacuated from work because of bomb scares, the Irish problem really concerns me and people just shrugging it off annoys me greatly. I don't want to live through that again. And I still think that there's something wrong when people feel it's acceptable to hurl abuse at an elderly lady carrying a placard saying 'Defend Democracy'.

Blimey ug because I believe in society. That is what makes us so different. We come from entirely different perspectives.

I believe in society and the moral duty to care for a societies citizens. I believe in the welfare state and the right to a good education, health, home, employment and fairness.

I suspect that whilst you might agree with some of those rights you are more inclined to believe that the individual is responsible for his own welfare etc. So that is why I worry about Brexit and it’s fallout and you don’t

growstuff
How has Scotland ‘managed’? Even Jersey operates a different system to the rest of UK

Sarcarsm confirms the inability to intelligently debate...thanks for the confirmation!

What about tariffs between Northern Ireland and the RoI? How are you going to solve that one? Do you not realise that many farmers rely in the lack of tariffs to survive?

If leavers have been holding a grudge since the Maastricht Treaty, it confirms that they're elderly and stubborn, who won't change their views when confronted with facts. Thanks for the confirmation!

Joelsnan I suggest you look at the subject more closely Try this for the stories of violence www.irishtimes.com/news/world/brexit/borderlands/the-border

Labiak
My solution to the Irish problem would be to leave things as they are. If the EU want to raise a border that is their issue.
We already have customs points on mainland Britain that could process as necessary.
People have always moved freely between UK and Eire as a result of the Common Travel Area arrangement which began 1922.

I suspect tbh that post Brexit, those most affected will largely be those who voted to leave, which is ironic in the extreme.

If this is really what you think WWmk2 why do you get so wound up about Brexit?

What do you think about it all MawB?
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No clarification needed - we all know what spin they’re putting on it.

That article doesn’t include Cummings latest edict re deselection. Anything on the merits of this unelected despot’s democratic centralism approach?

For information and clarification

www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-parliament-explainer/explainer-what-is-a-queens-speech-and-why-has-uk-pm-johnson-called-one-idUSKCN1VI1EF

So, Joelsnan, what is your solution to the Irish problem?

Yes varian it can. By accepting the democratic result of the 2016 referendum and getting on with the result.

Only the glass half empty types will prevent it from being worthwhile.

I agree White Unless these extremist Tories discover hearts in their respective rib cages and there’s a major shift in policy as a result then the poorest in society look likely to suffer most as a result.

"Brexit has ruined peoples' lives. I have yet to meet any. "

Some people claim to have never met anyone who wasn't a brexit supporter.

Some people must lead very restricted lives, if that is true.

Labaik. Parliament usually go into recess for the conference season. As I understand it this is voted for in Parliament. Should it be necessary Parliament could be recalled during that time and business carried on from where it left off. It is entirely possible that MPs could decide not to go into recess for the Conference season.

Proroguing Parliament means ending the Parliamentary session. Any unfinished business then falls. A new session starts after the Queen's Speech. Nothing is carried over from the previous session.

Apparently, the end of the session, after prorogation, is indicated by the Speaker leaving the House. When Charles 1st tried to prorogue Parliament it seems that MPs then sat on the Speaker to prevent him from leaving, thus keeping the session 'live' and precipitating the English Civil War.

If current MPs decided to do this I doubt they'd have to sit on Bercow... (though they might make a show of doing so to satisfy precedent)

Let's not assume that there will be a "post brexit", WW, only a "post brexit madness" which has blighted us for more than three years

The brexit madness can and must be stopped.

I suspect tbh that post Brexit, those most affected will largely be those who voted to leave, which is ironic in the extreme.

I would actually love to ask lots of leave voters how they came to their decision. I doubt if they thought it through in the informed way that you have [and I hold up my hands and admit that you are far more knowledgeable about Maastrich etc than I am].

'Brexit has ruined peoples' lives. I have yet to meet any'. So that means such people don't exist? I know people whose lives have been badly affected by Brexit. And what were the vote remain lies? Emergency budget? [aren't we going to have one of those soon, anyway?]. Recession [ditto]. Job losses [already happening]. And can you give me an example of 'sneering'?

Labiak
Was your decision based upon information in the public domain at the time of the referendum?' What else would it be based on?

Because if you ask most Leavers how they came to their decision, it was not based upon the propaganda and lies put out by both remain and leave parties around the time of the referendum. Their decision was more often than not based upon long held views formed at the time of the Maastrich Treaty and evidential ongoing research of the social and economic climates within other EU member states. Two in/out referenda were promised following Maastrich and the Lisbon treaties and were never delivered because we would have left at either one. This and manyfold other evidenced arguments led them to their decisions.

Evening! HQ here. It's a hairy time politically....

See! Even Lara thinks it's scary. And I still don't get it. (howl)

'The prorogation of parliament happens every year at this time to allow for the conferences. MPs knew about this before their summer holidays. Did they cancel their summer holidays? Did they ask for the conference prorogation to be cancelled knowing it was so close to 31st Oct? NO, they did not!
As MPs would apparently have been happy with the conference prorogation (having not asked for it to be cancelled before their jollies), how the can an an additional three days suddenly become a threat to democracy'...but doesn't it mean that the Domestic violence bill will be ditched and will have to start all over again? Which wouldn't have happened without the prorogation? And could Parliament during normal conference season still be recalled if there was an emergency but now it can't? Excuse me for my ignorance but, until recently I'd never heard of 'prorogation' and I'm sure lots of other people didn't either, so I'm still trying to grasp the implication of it.

Several points made above.
Brexit has ruined peoples' lives. I have yet to meet any.
We have sovereignty. No we don't as EU law supercedes our own.
The country has changed ts mind. When? I haven't heard of another referendum.
The Brexit campaign was based on lies. BOTH were based on lies.
You have the right to speak out. Indeed you do and so does everyone else. If you also expect to be listened to and respected. then please do the same for those you do not agree with. Sneering is not the solution.
I bet, had social media been around in 1538 when we left the Roman catholic Church, there would have been much the same sort of debate. Whatever happens - it's exciting and change is the one immutable constant. Next year we will all be here chatting about the next mess they have got us in.