So he’s done it?

I don't buy a daily newspaper but I did see newspaper front pages day after day supporting leave and printing blatant lies, so I guess that did sway me. Oh, and those headlines WERE inflammatory ...

The information that led some people to vote for Remain in 2016 was available in the public domain at that time, for those that chose to check the facts and not believe the relentless propaganda of Farage, the Brexuit Broadcasting Corporation, The Daily Express, The Daily Mail, The Torygraph and The Sun.

The much better information that we now have in the public domain has enlightened many who were misled in 2016 to change their minds, which is why the brexiters will do anything to avoid a confirmatory vote for their deal or no deal scenario.

You re absolutely right. she can't actually do a thing because she has no power. I suppose she can ask him in an audience what he thinks he's up to. This is the power the PM has because Parliament has set it up to be that way. I think this marks the end of the old "party" system and MPs who are totally alien to what they are meant to be delivering. Time to have more independents and fewer party animals.

'Was your decision based upon information in the public domain at the time of the referendum?' What else would it be based on?

On my earlier post? No.

What’s your thoughts on Cummings latest about deselection following on from the reduction in debating time? He seems to be favouring the democratic centralism approach.

SirChenjin
Yeah - still not fooling anybody.

Care to elaborate?

Labiak
So, your re-evaluation of your referendum vote has not changed your mind.
Was your decision based upon information in the public domain at the time of the referendum?

Yeah - still not fooling anybody.

SirChejin
Of course, the main difference is that this is shut down of a far longer period at a time
No it isnt.
The prorogation of parliament happens every year at this time to allow for the conferences. MPs knew about this before their summer holidays. Did they cancel their summer holidays? Did they ask for the conference prorogation to be cancelled knowing it was so close to 31st Oct? NO, they did not!
As MPs would apparently have been happy with the conference prorogation (having not asked for it to be cancelled before their jollies), how the can an an additional three days suddenly become a threat to democracy.

Yes, I do remember cash for questions.

You can’t remember the cash for questions outrage when that happened Joel? How odd.

Of course, the main difference is that this is shut down of a far longer period at a time when there is a national crisis and it’s been designed solely - as everyone knows - to shut down debate. They are fooling nobody.

Democracy gives me the right to believe and speak out for what I believe is right, does it not?

Labiak
Because you are not defending democracy. Supporting the referendum vote of 2016 is defending democracy.
The 3-4 day prorogation of parliament is a non unique democratic action carried out by a democratically elected government. This action was last done by John Major. Where were the demonstrations and ‘defend democracy’ placards then?

Shouting ‘wanker’ at someone isn’t free speech. For the avoidance of doubt eazy, go and shout that at someone in the street (or better still, a police officer) and see what happens.

labaik that is a thoughtful post, and one I agree with.

Can you explain to me what is inflammatory about the comment 'Defend Democracy' and is that worse than someone shouting 'Wankers' at us ?

You are expressing your opinion and they are expressing theirs.
It is called free speech

'Remind me, while we’re talking about lies, what were our current cabinet saying about a no deal and prorogation a couple of months ago?'...I think, what they're saying now is 'I'm totally against the prorogation of parliament unless you give me a job in your cabinet in which case I will change my mind'.

Ah - but the referendum result is no longer what the country wants.

Desperate times need desperate measures I'm fully behind Boris and his team to do whatever it takes to honour the EU referendum result.
Boris and the Conservatives are riding high in the polls, Corbyn and his pals, all the dishonest MPs who are trying to overturn the referendum result will be wiped out when we have a General election and good riddance to them.

gillybob; yes, that is a very valid question and one that we have been debating [the difference with remainers and leavers being that we do question ourselves a lot]. It is mainly because I personally believe that the leave campaign was based on lies and misinformation; 3 out of 5 countries voted to remain; many issues were not discussed properly [eg Ireland] and that damaging a country's social and economic structure isn't democratic. Had I been given one valid reason why leaving the EU was a good thing for this country during the past few years I would reappraise my view, but, thus far that hasn't happened. I feel that Brexit has ruined many peoples lives and, as a democratic country I have the right to speak out for what I believe. A friend of mine, a remain voter now believes we should leave because of the vote even though he thinks it will be bad for the country. Personally I can't share that view. One of the leave campaigns arguments was that we needed to take back control and sovereignty, but we always had control of that but, if parliament is prorogued that isn't democracy at work; that's a dictatorship. [imo]

The answer is yes, isn’t is Firecracker

Remind me, while we’re talking about lies, what were our current cabinet saying about a no deal and prorogation a couple of months ago?

Lemongrove ?

Trying to make excuses saying people have changed their minds or died blah blah blah but at the end of the day you are just undemocratic liars ? ? ? trying to overturn a democratic vote.

Rent a mob protesting on the streets disrupting ordinary people trying to enjoy their weekend disgraceful in my opinion.

Did you see my earlier question lemon? What do you think, yes or no?

Of course they are Firecracker and many Remainers see this too, but not the extreme ones who are trying to stop it from happening.Ironically, they are the ones now marching and yelling about ‘lost democracy’.?