Government preparations for a GE

How to fool the public (or at least some of them)
1.Tell them there is no money and make huge cuts in all areas.
2. Plan a GE and announce money to go to all the areas you have cut.
The thing is that the money being proposed will not even return schools to the level they were before the Tory government, the same applies to the NHS and the police.

No firecracker you entirely miss the point. It is the utter hypocrisy of the Tories.

What is breathtaking is the sheer hypocrisy of Gnetters who screamed blue murder about Labour spending plans in 2017 but now think that essentially the same ideas are wonderful because they're being put forward by Johnson.

Actually, being an MMT person, I think that this proposed orgy of public spending would be a good thing but as Johnson is also enthusiastically proposing to trash our Parliamentary democracy and is a known habitual liar I don't think it would persuade me to vote tory. It's just a whopping great electoral bribe.

Interesting piece in the Sunday Times stating that" Boris Johnson's cash boost for schools will overwhelmingly benefit those in Tory M.P.'s constituenciesand help the party target marginal seats if there is a general election.Grammar schools will be among the big winners, but schools in the north of England , which has some of the worst performers in the country, are set to loose out " Sad news and will not help areas in great need of help . Seems like a bribe to me.

So the result could be neck and neck if Remain Alliances are formed varian?

You’d think so varian but I know so many people who would insist on voting for their red, yellow or blue rosetted donkey regardless.

Voting Intention: Con 33%, Lab 22%, Lib Dem 21%, Brex 12% (28-29 Aug)

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/30/voting-intention-con-33-lab-22-lib-dem-21-brex-12-

If we are asked to vote in a general election it will be important for the two thirds of the voters who do not support this government to vote tactically for whichever candidate is most likely to beat the Tories in their constituency. Tactical voting is unfortunately necessary under FPTP.

Can we remember please that Johnson was part of the cabinet that was preaching austerity and cutting public spending? Also, can we stop this whataboutery? Because I do not believe anything Johnson says, because I will not hold my breath to see whether some of the slashed education/police/NHS budgets is replaced, this does not make me a Corbyn supporter. It is funny though watching the tabloids and the Johnson and Brexit supporters hailing these cash bribes when we all know that it would have been described as fiscal irresponsibility if Corbyn had made the same promises. Why is wanting Brexit making the great British public so bloody gullible, eagerly applauding whatever that liar in no 10 throws them?

BJ knows he'll win by the number of Brexiteers that there are.May you reap what you sow !

So yes Javid can afford to borrow more to spend on public services.

But I can’t see how he can do that without undermining the governments economic credibility by it saying that it is bound by fiscal rules which are entirely inconsistent with the scale of spending and tax cuts being planned.

This will ruin the uks international reputation, just when a no deal seems very likely.

Hacked

Bearing in mind that this government has gackedi public spending for ideological reasons in the first place! They are offering these carrots , then they will use the next recession to cut them back to the bone. You ain't seen nothing yet!

It would be hypocrisy, had Johnson being saying ‘no spending!’ Up to last week, but as it stands, it was T May some time back who announced that austerity measures were ending, and just before she left office wanted large sums to be spent but Hammond said she couldn’t do that as a ‘legacy’ it was for the next PM to decide.
So he has decided.Yes, of course the timing has a reason, as there is now sure to be a GE either just before or just after we leave the EU, but it had already been decided as a policy, to put more money into public services.
It only gets things back to the level of nine years ago, so is not the sort of crazy splurge that Corbyn and chums would have done.

I can’t help being very cynical about the generous spending plans being announced before a possible election, when for the last nine years the Tories have been slashing spending drastically on schools, police, nhs, social care etc,
Oh and don’t forget the tax cuts promised for those higher earners!

If these were Labour Party spending plans the right-wing press Barrons would be stating in headlines three metres tall that the economy will be devastated by this outrageous spending.

But, of course, it is the Tory party that are laying out unbudgeted huge spending plans this time, so, to the right-wing press, that is to the be a massive benefit to the British economy.

And some on here read that and talk about hypocrisy. ?

Has anyone any faith in this Government? They seem to be living in a little world of their own with no conception of what is actually happening at ground level and what the real results will be of the few decisions actually made. The problem is that an election will not help. It will just be more of the same with different faces all putting themselves and their careers before what is best for the country.

Strange how it seems to be OK to point out the failings of one party but not another.

Whataboutery ahoy!

No firecracker you entirely miss the point. It is the utter hypocrisy of the Tories.

This is purely to get Johnson into power, zero to do with anything else, and totally opposed to what the Tories say the way the economy should be run.

Of course Labour and Libs as well, as others have advocated expansionary fiscal policies, and post Brexit it will be sorely needed. So yes I would welcome it.

Well, if you are talking about lies - how about Campbell whose lies resulted in the death of over 100 British service personnel, Corbyn denied he was at the funeral of a terrorist, when confronted by photographic evidence said he was there but he was "unaware"

Well I don't suppose it's because it's Boris and the Conservatives who are pledging these things the Remainers are up in arms, if it was Comrade Corbyn or the Undemocratic Lib Dems it would bloody marvellous good old Jeremy, Diane Abbott will have costed it all lol.

HYPROCRITES

wadesnan. Why this is being questioned is because the Tories have set out what they claim to be sensible and reliable fiscal rules.

These fiscal rules of the Tories making has meant that police numbers have been cut, social services and NH S in crises, military cut, pot holes in roads etc etc etc.

The poor have suffered the worse as they are so reliant on local services and help from the government. They didn’t cause the crises but they have paid.

Now, however, in order to get himself elected liar Johnson is promising to spend money like it is going out if fashion.

Hypocrisy writ large, if you are gullible enough to believe what they are saying. No trust can be given to such a serial liar who has been regularly sacked for his mendacity.

You have to laugh!
These promises of cash for schools, police etc would all be fine and dandy if promised by Corbyn! In fact he did promise them at the last GE ( or has that been conveniently forgotten.[ grin]
Now of course, it’s different, as the Tories are doing it.
Corbyn would have gone much, much further with spending plans (think no university fees etc) so this is chickenfeed compared to what Labour were promising.
Yes, all parties tell lies and make grandiose promises, but if this isn’t a lie......isn’t everyone pleased that education and the police will be getting more money, I seem to remember a lot of shrieking about spending cuts to education on GN over the last couple of years.
I do hate hypocrisy.

I'm confused - everyone has been complaining that the government isn't spending money on services - when they say they will spend money people complain - seems no matter what they do some people will complain about it.

Before anyone says they won't carry it through - why not wait and see or do you all share the same crystal ball?

Very true Septimia!

They all lie, regardless of which party is in charge.

I don't trust any of them.