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Whitewavemark2 Sat 31-Aug-19 08:57:38

Massive spending promises.

In fact they will break the Tories fiscal rules and completely undermine the Tories economic credibility.

The U.K. is teetering on the brink of recession, and this should drastically cut Javid room for manoeuvre if he follows his promise to stick to Tory borrowing rules.

But we all know that the government lies and lies and lies.

mcem Sat 31-Aug-19 09:13:19

I think you'd have to be very gullible (or desperate to support BJ &co) to believe for one minute that these 'promises' could/will be kept.

We're being told that the only reason BJ is proroguing parliament is to clear the way for his generous spending plans. Never mind facts and figures!

Can anyone take these pledges seriously? Think red bus lies!

Septimia Sat 31-Aug-19 09:19:23

They all lie, regardless of which party is in charge.

I don't trust any of them.

Pantglas1 Sat 31-Aug-19 09:22:57

Very true Septimia!

WadesNan Sat 31-Aug-19 09:27:58

I'm confused - everyone has been complaining that the government isn't spending money on services - when they say they will spend money people complain - seems no matter what they do some people will complain about it.

Before anyone says they won't carry it through - why not wait and see or do you all share the same crystal ball?

lemongrove Sat 31-Aug-19 09:34:08

You have to laugh!
These promises of cash for schools, police etc would all be fine and dandy if promised by Corbyn! In fact he did promise them at the last GE ( or has that been conveniently forgotten.[ grin]
Now of course, it’s different, as the Tories are doing it.
Corbyn would have gone much, much further with spending plans (think no university fees etc) so this is chickenfeed compared to what Labour were promising.
Yes, all parties tell lies and make grandiose promises, but if this isn’t a lie......isn’t everyone pleased that education and the police will be getting more money, I seem to remember a lot of shrieking about spending cuts to education on GN over the last couple of years.
I do hate hypocrisy.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 31-Aug-19 09:36:26

wadesnan. Why this is being questioned is because the Tories have set out what they claim to be sensible and reliable fiscal rules.

These fiscal rules of the Tories making has meant that police numbers have been cut, social services and NH S in crises, military cut, pot holes in roads etc etc etc.

The poor have suffered the worse as they are so reliant on local services and help from the government. They didn’t cause the crises but they have paid.

Now, however, in order to get himself elected liar Johnson is promising to spend money like it is going out if fashion.

Hypocrisy writ large, if you are gullible enough to believe what they are saying. No trust can be given to such a serial liar who has been regularly sacked for his mendacity.

Firecracker123 Sat 31-Aug-19 09:41:09

Well I don't suppose it's because it's Boris and the Conservatives who are pledging these things the Remainers are up in arms, if it was Comrade Corbyn or the Undemocratic Lib Dems it would bloody marvellous good old Jeremy, Diane Abbott will have costed it all lol.

HYPROCRITES

WadesNan Sat 31-Aug-19 09:48:37

Well, if you are talking about lies - how about Campbell whose lies resulted in the death of over 100 British service personnel, Corbyn denied he was at the funeral of a terrorist, when confronted by photographic evidence said he was there but he was "unaware"

Whitewavemark2 Sat 31-Aug-19 09:49:53

No firecracker you entirely miss the point. It is the utter hypocrisy of the Tories.

This is purely to get Johnson into power, zero to do with anything else, and totally opposed to what the Tories say the way the economy should be run.

Of course Labour and Libs as well, as others have advocated expansionary fiscal policies, and post Brexit it will be sorely needed. So yes I would welcome it.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 31-Aug-19 09:50:25

Whataboutery ahoy!

WadesNan Sat 31-Aug-19 09:54:14

Strange how it seems to be OK to point out the failings of one party but not another.

McGilchrist41 Sat 31-Aug-19 09:58:43

Has anyone any faith in this Government? They seem to be living in a little world of their own with no conception of what is actually happening at ground level and what the real results will be of the few decisions actually made. The problem is that an election will not help. It will just be more of the same with different faces all putting themselves and their careers before what is best for the country.

Grandad1943 Sat 31-Aug-19 10:01:46

If these were Labour Party spending plans the right-wing press Barrons would be stating in headlines three metres tall that the economy will be devastated by this outrageous spending.

But, of course, it is the Tory party that are laying out unbudgeted huge spending plans this time, so, to the right-wing press, that is to the be a massive benefit to the British economy.

And some on here read that and talk about hypocrisy. 😄

mostlyharmless Sat 31-Aug-19 10:19:45

I can’t help being very cynical about the generous spending plans being announced before a possible election, when for the last nine years the Tories have been slashing spending drastically on schools, police, nhs, social care etc,
Oh and don’t forget the tax cuts promised for those higher earners!

lemongrove Sat 31-Aug-19 11:44:38

It would be hypocrisy, had Johnson being saying ‘no spending!’ Up to last week, but as it stands, it was T May some time back who announced that austerity measures were ending, and just before she left office wanted large sums to be spent but Hammond said she couldn’t do that as a ‘legacy’ it was for the next PM to decide.
So he has decided.Yes, of course the timing has a reason, as there is now sure to be a GE either just before or just after we leave the EU, but it had already been decided as a policy, to put more money into public services.
It only gets things back to the level of nine years ago, so is not the sort of crazy splurge that Corbyn and chums would have done.

Daisymae Sat 31-Aug-19 12:23:38

Bearing in mind that this government has gackedi public spending for ideological reasons in the first place! They are offering these carrots , then they will use the next recession to cut them back to the bone. You ain't seen nothing yet!

Daisymae Sat 31-Aug-19 12:24:03

Hacked

Whitewavemark2 Sat 31-Aug-19 12:26:45

So yes Javid can afford to borrow more to spend on public services.

But I can’t see how he can do that without undermining the governments economic credibility by it saying that it is bound by fiscal rules which are entirely inconsistent with the scale of spending and tax cuts being planned.

This will ruin the uks international reputation, just when a no deal seems very likely.

EllanVannin Sat 31-Aug-19 12:32:17

BJ knows he'll win by the number of Brexiteers that there are.May you reap what you sow !

GillT57 Sat 31-Aug-19 13:24:15

Can we remember please that Johnson was part of the cabinet that was preaching austerity and cutting public spending? Also, can we stop this whataboutery? Because I do not believe anything Johnson says, because I will not hold my breath to see whether some of the slashed education/police/NHS budgets is replaced, this does not make me a Corbyn supporter. It is funny though watching the tabloids and the Johnson and Brexit supporters hailing these cash bribes when we all know that it would have been described as fiscal irresponsibility if Corbyn had made the same promises. Why is wanting Brexit making the great British public so bloody gullible, eagerly applauding whatever that liar in no 10 throws them?

varian Sun 01-Sep-19 14:29:26

Voting Intention: Con 33%, Lab 22%, Lib Dem 21%, Brex 12% (28-29 Aug)

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/08/30/voting-intention-con-33-lab-22-lib-dem-21-brex-12-

If we are asked to vote in a general election it will be important for the two thirds of the voters who do not support this government to vote tactically for whichever candidate is most likely to beat the Tories in their constituency. Tactical voting is unfortunately necessary under FPTP.

Pantglas1 Sun 01-Sep-19 14:47:16

You’d think so varian but I know so many people who would insist on voting for their red, yellow or blue rosetted donkey regardless.

mostlyharmless Sun 01-Sep-19 18:30:04

So the result could be neck and neck if Remain Alliances are formed varian?

westendgirl Sun 01-Sep-19 18:53:32

Interesting piece in the Sunday Times stating that" Boris Johnson's cash boost for schools will overwhelmingly benefit those in Tory M.P.'s constituenciesand help the party target marginal seats if there is a general election.Grammar schools will be among the big winners, but schools in the north of England , which has some of the worst performers in the country, are set to loose out " Sad news and will not help areas in great need of help . Seems like a bribe to me.