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Will the web being woven, hold?

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Whitewavemark2 Mon 02-Sept-19 08:18:05

Cummings game plan seems to be on course.

The tiny majority will be rendered a minority at a stroke by Cummings threat to take the whip away from any Tory rebels.

Johnson has then scapegoats to blame for his failure to deliver a brexit deal, and an excuse to go for a GE.

Labour will then fall in with the game plan by holding a VONC and a GE looks a distinct possibility sometime in Oct.
Johnson will fight it as the people v the elite who failed to deliver the democratic vote. (Bannon writ large)

The U.K. will then crash out on Nov 1st. No attempt is being made by Cummings to get a deal and in any case his contact finishes on Oct 31st.

Urmstongran Mon 02-Sept-19 22:30:49

Are you related to Dominic Cummings too paddyann?

He comes across as a tough nut but us cousins remember him when he wanted to join in our games & we told him to buzz off.

Seems our brush off honed his skills on the estate and he went from strength to strength. ...

Boris was only saying the other day to me mam he wouldn’t know what he’d do without him.
??

paddyann Mon 02-Sept-19 22:21:34

Brexit WONT be dealt with without an election .Strangely I remember posting on here at the beginning of the year thatMP's had been told to keep their diaries clear for October and I said that signalled an election..I was told I was talking nonsense .SEEMS my source was more reliable than was thought !

growstuff Mon 02-Sept-19 21:38:37

I fear Labour do think they could win a GE. I think they might with a different leader.

growstuff Mon 02-Sept-19 21:37:23

1 But will Labour vote for it?
2 What if he really does claim that tomorrow's bill is a vote of no confidence? Someone is going to have to take him to court to contest it.

The way everything is being ripped up at the moment, I wouldn't put it past him. This really does have Cummings, who holds the law and parliament in contempt, written all over it. Alastair Campbell never acted like this.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 02-Sept-19 21:11:54

I’m not clear that a GE should be remotely considered until brexit has been dealt with.

MaizieD Mon 02-Sept-19 21:04:39

Under the FTA he can't trigger a GE without the consent of two thirds of Parliament. Has he got the numbers?

growstuff Mon 02-Sept-19 20:59:40

"Leaked" sources are saying Johnson will call for a GE for 14 October on Wednesday and that he will count rebels' action tomorrow as a vote of no confidence, therefore triggering a GE.

MaizieD Mon 02-Sept-19 20:28:30

Corbyn is for anti no deal legislation first.

lemongrove Mon 02-Sept-19 19:31:48

It need two thirds of Parliament to agree.Corbyn is all for it though, so.....

Whitewavemark2 Mon 02-Sept-19 19:01:31

Except of course a GE is not within his call is it?

lemongrove Mon 02-Sept-19 18:51:48

What shooting ( and what messenger)? ?

If the rebel MP’s don’t give it up then there will be an election called this week sometime, so you are quite right there.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 02-Sept-19 18:45:23

Shooting the messenger again lemon?

I suspect however that if the legislation goes through he will try to call a GE.

Fennel Mon 02-Sept-19 18:42:25

He seems to think he's above the law.
ie who is going to enforce it?

lemongrove Mon 02-Sept-19 18:42:13

You wish WWM2

Not going to happen.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 02-Sept-19 18:40:52

If Johnson does ignore it, aQC considers that Johnson would be guilty of misconduct in public office.

Sentence = life

Blimey

Whitewavemark2 Mon 02-Sept-19 18:30:01

Did Johnson suggest that he would ignore the bill passed by parliament if it passed to prevent no deal?

So how does a a government ignore the rule of law?

varian Mon 02-Sept-19 18:26:49

But it's not true.

Threatening the EU with no deal, which would hurt us far more than it would hurt them is like saying "If you don't give me what I want I'll shoot myself and you might get some blood on your clothes so you'd have to pay for them to be dry-cleaned"

The EU value the four freedoms and will not succumb to such silly threats. That was made perfectly clear when they did not succumb earlier this year, in spite of the fact that no deal had not been taken off the table.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 02-Sept-19 18:23:35

I think it was ridiculous the more I think about it. His aim of trying to blame Corbyn simply doesn’t stick as the motion is a back bench cross-party motion.

His delivery was odd.

Bridgeit Mon 02-Sept-19 18:23:05

Only a fool fears nobody ..... just saying

EnglishRose Mon 02-Sept-19 18:22:59

WW2 could you kindly explain what is ‘amoral’ about Cummings and Johnson doing their level best to uphold and complete the result of the ‘one and only’ Referendum?

lemongrove Mon 02-Sept-19 18:20:23

Because he has just informed the nation on prime time tv that some MP’s are jeopardising getting a deal by trying to get the government to reject a no deal exit, and are siding with the opposition.
Many voters don’t take much interest in politics, but they couldn’t miss that statement on tv it will be replayed all night long.
Rebel MP’s will be vilified by many for considering doing this.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 02-Sept-19 18:18:56

So he isn’t calling a GE (today) but the temptation for Corbyn may still be a VONC if he thinks he can win. But I think that would still be trap.

varian Mon 02-Sept-19 18:15:23

Utterly pointless repitition of his previous lies and nonsense.

Even for liar Boris it was distinctly unimpressive.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 02-Sept-19 18:14:31

Why?

Urmstongran Mon 02-Sept-19 18:13:27

Well played then Boris! Smart manoeuvring!