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Will the web being woven, hold?

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Whitewavemark2 Mon 02-Sept-19 08:18:05

Cummings game plan seems to be on course.

The tiny majority will be rendered a minority at a stroke by Cummings threat to take the whip away from any Tory rebels.

Johnson has then scapegoats to blame for his failure to deliver a brexit deal, and an excuse to go for a GE.

Labour will then fall in with the game plan by holding a VONC and a GE looks a distinct possibility sometime in Oct.
Johnson will fight it as the people v the elite who failed to deliver the democratic vote. (Bannon writ large)

The U.K. will then crash out on Nov 1st. No attempt is being made by Cummings to get a deal and in any case his contact finishes on Oct 31st.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 02-Sept-19 18:13:02

Well.

Bit pointless. I wonder if he couldn’t get cabinet agreement?

He sounded very rattled I thought

Whitewavemark2 Mon 02-Sept-19 18:04:44

The podium exercise outside number 10 is all about trying to steal the rebel MPs thunder. The news would have been full of the legislation to be passed etc. Instead we have Johnson taking the ,limelight.

Labaik Mon 02-Sept-19 13:13:47

In what way did Campbells influence damage the social and economic structure of this country? Do you actually admire Cummings, lemon?

Fennel Mon 02-Sept-19 12:43:09

I also think that Blair is right. A general election now would give the Tories a big victory.
I think Johnson and Cummings are gambling on the fact that most people in the UK just want an end to all the uncertainty. Johnson is being built up as the Superman who will be able to do this as he fears nobody.
As for the consequences for the 'man in the street', who cares about them? We ( J and C) have financial security.

lemongrove Mon 02-Sept-19 12:23:54

Cummings has played ‘a blinder’ ...just have to see if it works out.

lemongrove Mon 02-Sept-19 12:21:55

T May’s two advisors almost lost her the last GE.

lemongrove Mon 02-Sept-19 12:20:55

Yes, Cummings is ruthless...as was Campbell and as is Seamus Milne.
There seems to be very little awareness on here about how much power all advisors to the PM or leader of the opposition have.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 02-Sept-19 12:11:46

Cummings is running the entire show labaik

MaizieD Mon 02-Sept-19 12:11:05

I don't think Johnson has an 'endgame'. Labaik. If he's running true to form he's perfectly happy to sit back and let Cummings do the work.

Labaik Mon 02-Sept-19 12:09:14

By 'his' endgame do you mean Johnson's or Cummings?

MaizieD Mon 02-Sept-19 12:08:23

What about the EU bureaucrats, Ug. Are they OK, too?

Urmstongran Mon 02-Sept-19 11:58:06

Describe Cummings strategy

I never said people didn’t understand it!

Did I?

He is ruthless. He’s seen the prevarication and is determined to help Boris achieve his endgame.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 02-Sept-19 11:56:53

Have you read Cummings blog ug? It will give you a good insight into his mind.

Urmstongran Mon 02-Sept-19 11:55:25

You’re wrong MaizieD. I voted for Blair at the time & cheered when he won. I thought Alistair Campbell was devious but clever.

Bit like Cummings really.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 02-Sept-19 11:54:18

Well ug tell us what is real. Describe Cummings strategy as you seem to think that we don’t appear to understand it.

Beware though, as 99% of commentators seem to agree with our analysis.

MaizieD Mon 02-Sept-19 11:53:03

Ah, but I expect you didn't cheer Alistair Campbell on, Ug.

So you're perfectly happy with the EU's 'unelected bureaucrats, then? They had nothing to do with your reasons to vote Leave because 'it was ever thus'?

Urmstongran Mon 02-Sept-19 11:49:22

Oh ladies, let’s keep it real eh?

Remember Alistair (Rottweiler) Campbell with Tony Blair?

It was ever thus.

MaizieD Mon 02-Sept-19 11:46:39

Cummings is up against this:

Well, at least you are honest enough to recognise that we are being governed by an unelected bureaucrat, Ug

Tell me again about Leavers' objections to the EU being 'rule by unelected bureaucrats...'

Whitewavemark2 Mon 02-Sept-19 11:44:26

ug Cummings isn’t up against anything. He is playing a game that he enjoys but is entirely a-moral. He has absolutely no care about the U.K.

He walks on 31 st October whatever the outcome.

growstuff Mon 02-Sept-19 11:40:55

Nah! Cummings probably thought they'd use the time when parliament is suspended to book themselves a cheap, out-of-season holiday.

varian Mon 02-Sept-19 11:34:27

Surely it is right for our PM to take instructions from parliament, not Cummings!

Urmstongran Mon 02-Sept-19 11:30:15

Cummings is up against this:

MPs will try, yet again, this week. First they will seek an emergency debate under Parliament’s Standing Order Number 24. Then they will use the debate to amend Standing Order Number 14, which allows the Government to control the Commons timetable.

And then, having seized control of the order paper, they will legislate ordering the Prime Minister to reverse his policy.

They will instruct him to extend, with the EU’s agreement, the Article 50 deadline and prevent a no-deal Brexit on October 31.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 02-Sept-19 10:40:51

Thanks mostly I knew I had heard/ read it somewhere.

mostlyharmless Mon 02-Sept-19 10:38:08

Keir Starmer said on the Andrew Marr programme yesterday, that if Remainer parties couldn’t unite behind Corbyn as caretaker, they would rethink their strategy. Presumably that means find a more widely acceptable caretaker.

growstuff Mon 02-Sept-19 10:34:45

I don't agree with what Philip Hammond did as Chancellor (most of the time). HOWEVER, if I were one of his Conservative-voting constituents, I think I'd be pretty miffed about some upstart coming along and trying to kick out the man I'd voted for for years. His constituency was marginally Remain.

I think in a General Election, I'd vote for Hammond as an Independent instead of an official Conservative candidate, most of whom seem to have been cloned.

The Conservatives are ahead in the polls. However, I wonder what difference it would make with another Labour leader (Starmer perhaps?) and how some of the seats with Independents will vote.

There is a very real prospect that the Conservatives would lose South Cambridgeshire, despite its history as a Tory stronghold. It voted 60.2% Remain, now has a LibDem council and shows as one of the areas with the highest percentage of constituents signing the "do not prorogue Parliament" petition. Companies have already lost contracts and funding as a result of Brexit. If Heidi Allen stands as LibDem, there's a realistic chance she'll win.