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Will the web being woven, hold?

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Whitewavemark2 Mon 02-Sept-19 08:18:05

Cummings game plan seems to be on course.

The tiny majority will be rendered a minority at a stroke by Cummings threat to take the whip away from any Tory rebels.

Johnson has then scapegoats to blame for his failure to deliver a brexit deal, and an excuse to go for a GE.

Labour will then fall in with the game plan by holding a VONC and a GE looks a distinct possibility sometime in Oct.
Johnson will fight it as the people v the elite who failed to deliver the democratic vote. (Bannon writ large)

The U.K. will then crash out on Nov 1st. No attempt is being made by Cummings to get a deal and in any case his contact finishes on Oct 31st.

lemongrove Thu 05-Sept-19 18:05:48

I have always thought that Johnson would never make a good PM, however I do applaud him for trying ( at least) to uphold the referendum result/ get us out, instead of this painful waiting game which is terrible for the UK.
Things in Parliament, not just in government, are sliding into chaos.
Whatever I think of Johnson as a PM though, has nothing to do with all the posts (above) about his relationship with his children or whether he likes pets or not.Who cares?
What matters is what he achieves( or doesn’t achieve) politically.

Urmstongran Thu 05-Sept-19 18:03:51

A Scottish judge has ruled that Boris Johnson’s planned shutdown of Parliament next week is a matter for politicians, not the courts, and is lawful.

Lord Doherty said it was not up to the courts to intervene in a matter of “high policy or political judgment” as he rejected a bid to suspend the five-week prorogation.

Labaik Thu 05-Sept-19 18:02:23

...just don't upset me, WWM2...grin

Whitewavemark2 Thu 05-Sept-19 17:49:35

labaik???

I feel you power. Be careful or Johnson will try to pinch some of it.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 05-Sept-19 17:48:22

Well on that performance the Tories must be quaking in their shoes at the thought of an election.

An embarrassing rant which made no sense.

Then to top it all a poor young policewoman collapsed behind him, probably at the awful realisation that she was listening to the uks Prime Minister.

Labaik Thu 05-Sept-19 17:46:02

'Ooooh! Think about some more of them would you please, Labaik if that's the effect your thoughts have'....oh crikey; as I was watching bumbly thing's speech, the S.O. turned up and I said to him 'how long have those poor police people been stood there ' and then added 'I'd love one of them to faint' at which point, one of them did'. I hasten to add that I don't wish harm on any police person but thought it was very unfair of bumbly thing to use them in that way [scared of my own powers now....shock]….

Labaik Thu 05-Sept-19 17:29:44

How embarrassing; what a bumbling idiot. Still refusing questions from Ch4 I believe,,,

Whitewavemark2 Thu 05-Sept-19 17:20:48

Election speech by Johnson on news. Burble burble, waffle piffle piffle.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 05-Sept-19 17:14:23

Of course there is also the Miller court case taking place. Not sure she is going to win tbh

Labaik Thu 05-Sept-19 17:11:20

She spoke about them also, and reinforced things I'd heard about his relationship [or lack of] with his children. She said Marina used to keep him in check, so that is now lacking in his life.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 05-Sept-19 17:07:41

Sounds the most horrible character.

Not surprised about the dog, he isn’t bothered about his children of various parentage is he?

Labaik Thu 05-Sept-19 17:07:03

I have to agree with your last paragraph, MOnica and it's the main reason why I have struggled with supporting Corbyn over the past few years.

Labaik Thu 05-Sept-19 17:04:48

Fascinating interview on Sky News with the journalist/writer Sonia Purnell who used to work with Johnson. She spoke of his temper and said she was quite scared of him. Also that, with him, it was all about achieving power and he wasn't too bothered about what he did with that power. And, regarding that poor little dog that has been delivered to him, he once said he didn't like pets. I hope I haven't misquoted what she said as I didn't write it down word for word. Either way, it wasn't a very flattering description of the man.

M0nica Thu 05-Sept-19 16:40:57

Just as I read the news of Jo Johnson's resignation, I saw the report's of Nicholas Soames' rsignation speech. It contained the following paragraph

I want to make clear that I have always believed that the referendum result must be honoured, and indeed I have voted for the withdrawal agreement on every occasion that it has been presented to the house.

Which is more than can be said for my right-honourable friend the Prime Minister, the Leader of the House and other members of the Cabinet whose serial disloyalty has been an inspiration for so many of us

Nicholas Soames has never been a man I have warmed to, but on this occasion he has risen to the level of his grandfather, Sir Winston Churchill in his ability to find exactly the right words for the occasion.

Still, to lower the tone, we now have our two major parties governed by men, who, as back benchers had a history of continual disloyalty to their party but once in power have become as intolerant of dissent as any dictator.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 05-Sept-19 16:29:14

This from the chair of the BMA

Helena McKeown

Dangerous behaviour by @Jacob_Rees_Mogg slandering the highly respected NHS consultant & whistleblower @djnicholl. Our research @TheBMA supports the doctor. Who do you trust? A doctor or a politician? Remember the bus. twitter.com/peterwalker99/status/1169580905939296256

Pantglas1 Thu 05-Sept-19 16:08:15

Ignoring their constituents.....

Whitewavemark2 Thu 05-Sept-19 16:06:26

Studying their own navels?

GracesGranMK3 Thu 05-Sept-19 15:39:13

Many Tory mps getting very worried that the Tory party is sliding to the right.

MPs? I wonder what they have been doing over the last few weeks/months?

GracesGranMK3 Thu 05-Sept-19 15:37:13

Cummings was Gove's adviser, when Gove was Education Sec. It was Cummings who was behind many of Gove's turbo-charged initiatives, which were opposed by parents and teachers. (Thu 05-Sep-19 15:21:39)

I didn't know that growstuff but it explains a lot.

GracesGranMK3 Thu 05-Sept-19 15:35:12

^It's quite terrifying to think that I'm reading that and actually believing it.^(Thu 05-Sep-19 14:53:03)

You are not alone Labaik

Labaik Thu 05-Sept-19 15:29:36

Thanks growstuff; if I disliked Cummings before I dislike him even more after reading that. Strange the little bubbles that some politicians live in; Gove thinks he did a great job when Education secretary did he not confused?

Whitewavemark2 Thu 05-Sept-19 15:26:53

Many Tory mps getting very worried that the Tory party is sliding to the right.

They are correct to be worried.

growstuff Thu 05-Sept-19 15:21:39

Cummings was Gove's adviser, when Gove was Education Sec. It was Cummings who was behind many of Gove's turbo-charged initiatives, which were opposed by parents and teachers. Cummings made a number of quite worrying comments, some including foul language (as he's still doing). Gove defended him, but Cameron forced Gove to sack him. Cummings then went on to be the mastermind behind VoteLeave.

It could very well be that Gove recommended him to Johnson.

Labaik Thu 05-Sept-19 14:53:03

It's quite terrifying to think that I'm reading that and actually believing it.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 05-Sept-19 14:44:12

Talking about the Wars of the Roses, I heard that Farage is acting rather like a medieval baron because he is suggesting carving up the U.K. between himself and Johnson.. Farage will take the North and he offered to leave the South for Johnson.