Will the web being woven, hold?

I don’t think that a GE should be held until it is clear that Johnson is able to put a negotiated agreement before parliament, because he keeps insisting he will do a great deal (trumpian) but I along with parliament do not trust or believe Johnson liar and racist.

Sebastian Payne

Boris Johnson came under sustained attack in the 1922 committee this evening for withdrawing the whip from the 21 anti no deal rebels.

The prime minister blamed it on the chief whip, saying it would be wrong to undermine him. "It was completely pathetic," said one MP.

Labaik - you're safe, Corbyn is clear it's a trap. I'm watching the coverage of the debate on BBC 24 hour news. For those who say democracy is dead, I suggest you tune in. It's happening before our eyes. the majority of the MP s speaking are impressive, which ever side you're on.
I'm on Jess Phillips side! Plus Ken Clarke and even Nicholas Soames, a man I've never admired but I did admire his speech tonight.
Meanwhile our PM is slouching in his seat, mumbling, muttering and glowering. Not looking totally statesmanlike now ?

If Corbyn doesn't fall into the election honey trap I'll forgive him everything...

varian, this is one occasion when I bet we'd both be delighted to be proved wrong in our worries about Corbyn's statesmanship or ability to win an election.

Interesting that Tony Blair was one of the first to highlight the need for Labour to avoid a GE right now. I understand the criticism of them for calling constantly for a GE but saying this isn't the right time. They're correct, strategically, its the right thing for them to do.

Imagine - a Conservative and Unionist prime minister sacking Churchill's grandson, sacking the leader of the house and walking steadily into a situation where the Union falls apart.

What I would very much like to see is the media, immediately calling out any lies. Without this steerage back to integrity and honesty our politics will never recover and indeed get worse and worse.

I have to agree growstuff. Corbyn looked and sounded quite sane and by comparison with Johnson, almost statesmanlike.

For years I've thought that Corbyn was a great gift to the Tory Party but we may be seeing the tables being turned, although Johnson, right now, seems to be more of a recruiting sergeant for the Libdems.

It's touch and go whether there will be a GE, Grandad. Read between the lines of what Emily Thorberry said. I'm hoping that Corbyn has realised that he's been set a trap and that he won't fall for it. Johnson doesn't have a parliamentary majority, so anything he proposes from now on can be defeated, so there's no need for a GE from his point of view. I just hope that the Labour Party puts its brain cells into gear.

PS. I was impressed by Corbyn in the HoC today. Johnson was a bumbling shambles and couldn't answer anything. It actually lifted my spirits a bit to see May sitting next to Clarke and smiling.

That's good to hear, growstuff.

That's exactly how he's trying to frame it and he think he's losing. Even people who don't take much notice of politics and parliamentary business are aware that suspending Parliament, lying on an industrial scale and hiding important documents is not the way they've always thought government works. Of course, we're going to see a concerted effort to smear our parliamentary systems and some people will fall for whatever they're promised. However, I've seen from my own small effort to object to the prorogation of Parliament that "ordinary" people are shocked. People aren't quite so complacent and ignorant as Johnson and his cronies seem to think.

He’s trying to frame it as Johnson and the people against the evil parliament.

Whitewavemark2, from what I am reading/seeing there seems to be a great deal more cooperation between the Palimentery Labour Party and the Liberal Democrats.

Let's hope that continues perhaps even into a snap General Election campaign. That would neutralise any cooperation between the Tories and the Brexit Party.

grandad according to MN it is already happening.

I have only just come home from work and. Become aware of the days ongoing's in the Conservative Party.

I cannot believe that ken Clarke will later tonight be informed that he has had the Tory whip removed from him in Parliament and will be deselected in his Constituency seat.

Nicolas Soames the Grandson of Winston Churchill may also face the above action.

Never again will the Tory Party be able to level accusations of unfair and undemocratic de-selection procedures at the Labour Party, for within that party any MP open to de-selection can appeal to his/her local constituency Party who will the make the decision.

In the Tory party, that decision is made by Central Office under instructions from Downing Street it would seem.

Disgusting.

There is now open warfare in the Tory party.

Grieves tore into Mogg ( sit up man!!)

Very well deserved

Monica no apology required x

Sorry, GG13 I didn't notice that you were there before me.

Monica explanation much clearer than mine (Sorry watching Bake off)

Sorry to go off OP.

Back to the OP

Perhaps Mogg could bring in his bed as I’m sure he’d feel more comfortable

I got shares in my company every year, but the shares were given to me and were mine and how many I got from year to year as they were paid out of profits.

The Labour plan is very different. The shares will not be given to staff, just the dividends. Share capital has to be increased by 10% and put in a separate fund that pays out the dividends to workers each year. For the workers it will be peanuts, may be £50 - 100 each year at most.

What is more, more shares do not mean that the company has increased in value, it merely means that the value is spread over more shares, so share holders, many of them pension funds and insurance companies, will see their shares drop in value, as will dividends because they have, again be spread out over more shares. Pension funds will then, probably fall into deficit because their assets will be worth less with smaller incomes to distribute, which means pensioners whose incomes come from those pension and insurance companies will see their occupational/private pension rises fall behind inflation.

Is that really what John McDonell intended, take money from pensioners to pay over to those still working regardless of their income?

It would seem that the Tory Lords are going to attempt to filibuster.

This

Nick Robinson
Not long ago
@jeremycorbyn
faced a crisis trapped between Remainers & Leavers and was shunned by other opposition parties. Now he’s able to stand up for democracy, work with a cross-party alliance & appear statesmanlike. Is that what people mean by No 10’s new strategic genius?

My daughter works for a company that gives and sells shares to its staff. She has thousands now and it works splendidly. It gives the staff a real stake I. Their company and a vested interest in its success.

Having just seen Labours plans for a "share grab" anyone with a property, limited company, pension fund invested in a company about to be re-nationalised, be afraid be very afraid.

(I have not posted a link as it is all over the "twitter sphere" and internet"