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Will the web being woven, hold?

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Whitewavemark2 Mon 02-Sep-19 08:18:05

Cummings game plan seems to be on course.

The tiny majority will be rendered a minority at a stroke by Cummings threat to take the whip away from any Tory rebels.

Johnson has then scapegoats to blame for his failure to deliver a brexit deal, and an excuse to go for a GE.

Labour will then fall in with the game plan by holding a VONC and a GE looks a distinct possibility sometime in Oct.
Johnson will fight it as the people v the elite who failed to deliver the democratic vote. (Bannon writ large)

The U.K. will then crash out on Nov 1st. No attempt is being made by Cummings to get a deal and in any case his contact finishes on Oct 31st.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 09-Sep-19 19:06:00

It isn’t true about civil servants. When I was at work that is exactly what happened to someone. His home computer, phone etc was all looked at.

varian Mon 09-Sep-19 19:02:39

Just watch BBC Parliament Channel now to see a debate that could entirely change the future of our country.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 09-Sep-19 18:03:23

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/no-10-must-pay-sajid-javids-fired-aide-tens-of-thousands-in-compensation-a4232216.html

Labaik Mon 09-Sep-19 16:09:12

They'd better have a good knowledge of parliamentary procedure whoever they are.

M0nica Mon 09-Sep-19 15:53:40

Jumping before he is pushed. Who are his potential successors?

MaizieD Mon 09-Sep-19 15:50:24

Royal Assent has been given to the 'No Deal Bill' It's now an Act of Parliament.

And Bercow has announced that he will be going 31st October at the latest.

MaizieD Mon 09-Sep-19 15:11:21

There are videos on the internet and they have been shown on MSM of violence towards those who voted leave.

Care to give us some links to some, GG13?

It's odd, really. I happen to 'follow' a few Leavers on twitter and I am absolutely certain that had there been any evidence at all of Remain violence towards Leavers they would, on the evidence of what they do tweet, have been tweeting it like crazy and I would have seen it.

On the other hand, I could link you to a nice video of Leavers attempting to throw crash barriers at the police on the weekend...

M0nica Mon 09-Sep-19 15:00:04

We are not governed by the EU, we are the EU, as are France Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, Poland, Italy, Greece, etc etc etc. We all appoint one commissioner each and we agree on the rules and regulations. Of course we do not get our way all the time. Why should we?

Most EU legislation is legislation that would have gone through our Parliement anyway, which is why the British Parliament has already passed an Act subsuming the majority of the EU legislation into British law.

If we wish to continue exporting to the EU we will have to make sure all our exports accord with the standards that the EU set. All that will happen is that in the future we will no longer have a say in what those standards are.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 09-Sep-19 14:51:47

Oh I care about climate change and tax evasion, and lots of things. I just do not want to be governed by EU.

There are videos on the internet and they have been shown on MSM of violence towards those who voted leave.

Labaik Mon 09-Sep-19 14:50:26

Yes; I'd like examples of that. It also annoys me that the news said that fights broke out amongst pro and anti Brexit campaigners when, from what I've been told it was the pro Brexit group that caused the violence. They were even stamping on poppies at the Cenotaph and attacking the police.

growstuff Mon 09-Sep-19 14:46:30

Really? Please could you give some examples of violence from the Remain side, apart from throwing milkshakes.

growstuff Mon 09-Sep-19 14:45:07

Don't leavers care about the environment and clamping down on tax dodgers? Does that mean that we can expect a post-Brexit government to abandon measures to slow down climate change and support tax evasion?

GrannyGravy13 Mon 09-Sep-19 14:44:37

No veto on these, EU wants majority decision.

As for violence, there has been violence from both sides.

I abhor violent behaviour.

GracesGranMK3 Mon 09-Sep-19 14:35:54

... and you think beating people up, in order to stop something happening which we would be able to veto if we were still members and would not be part anyway of if we found a withdrawal agreement we could agree with, is okay then?

GrannyGravy13 Mon 09-Sep-19 14:06:48

GracesGranMK3.........actually most leave voters stand against this!!!

GracesGranMK3 Mon 09-Sep-19 14:03:41

You have the gall to insist on YOUR username G54 while misquoting the vote in the referendum! You seem to want to make up rules while others think they have been voted in Speaker of GN.

I think we just need Farage and his army of British Nationalists, National Front and the Football lads Alliance beating us up as I understand they were doing at a pro-EU rally at the weekend and we will certainly know where the Leavers stand.

MaizieD Mon 09-Sep-19 13:21:08

You do make me laugh, GG54. grin

Labaik Mon 09-Sep-19 13:20:24

You still haven't answered my question, though. And, what is your solution to the Irish problem? If you think we should all be optimistic you should be prepared to explain why we should be so. It's not the Spanish inquisition but we need more than sweeping statements as the country is in crisis.

GabriellaG54 Mon 09-Sep-19 13:08:32

To whom it concerns.
I'm not in front of a court here, nor do many posters differentiate between leave and out when discussing Brexit, indeed, I was taking the conversation to the lowest common denominator to be sure that all understood as many posters don't even have the decency to use my username.

Labaik Mon 09-Sep-19 12:09:32

Can you tell me, Gabriella, what there actually is to be optimistic about at this moment in time? I mean, one leaflet after the referendum [Let's Brexit; key truths about Brexit] said that 'countries which had signalled that they would like to open trade talks with the UK within 2 weeks of the referendum; Australia, Canada, China, Ghana, Iceland, India, Mexico, New Zealand, South Korea, USA. Meanwhile German industrialists had told their government that they expected it to ensure a free trade deal with the UK'. Can you tell me where, exactly, these talks are at the moment given that they were under the heading 'Truth 1'. [it also promised lower food prices, lower energy prices, more money for the NHS [yawn], more jobs and better wages for UK workers, better support for our farmers, revival of our fishing industry [the rights to most of it having been sold off long ago so not sure who would profit from that], and more foreign investment into the UK].

GracesGranMK3 Mon 09-Sep-19 12:00:25

The word was not "out" G54. It was "Leave". I have a feeling that, if you really worked as a solicitor, which is what you told us, I would not be coming to you if that is the way you present evidence.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 09-Sep-19 11:49:57

And that g54 is where we fundamentally differ.

I believe that it was not a democratic vote it was flawed and proven in the courts to be fraudulent. So I will never accept the vote. Cummings is in contempt because he refuses to answer to the charges.

However I am willing to accept as final another referendum, provided it is run entirely honestly.

It is imo the only way to resolve this utterly intractable issue.

GabriellaG54 Mon 09-Sep-19 11:39:14

The OP is again, banging the drum of pessimism and all things hateful regarding our leaving the EU.
That viewpoint is invalid as the majority want to leave whichever spin she puts on it or however she tries to undermine democracy.

GabriellaG54 Mon 09-Sep-19 11:24:58

There was, in the beginning, a blank piece of paper.
The public who bothered to get out of their beds to vote, voted, and the result was OUT.
Since then, the paper, which had one word writ large, has been despoiled time and again until it's black with scribbles and crossings out and crumpled and torn, largely by remainers who can't and won't accept democracy.
The blame lies squarely at their feet and on their shoulders.
Had they upheld the majority vote and agreed that a majority, however small, is a majority, negotiations would have been much simpler and smoother.
They and they alone started this crisis and are wholly culpable.

GracesGranMK3 Mon 09-Sep-19 10:43:49

There are those, sadly, who do not see that they are part of a revolution though Whitewave and think all this oh so serious situation requires is what they consider a funny quip.

I do appreciate that black humour often gets people through difficult situations but some do not even seem to see the problem. It's as if they laugh while the building they are in has its foundation's dug away. They laugh as the cracks appear in walls and the will laugh as walls fall down around us while arguing that "it's okay, these are not the walls that hold the building up" even while the architect consulted tells us "yes, they are". The think their knowledge is greater than the experts and, what if it isn't - we can, they tell us, still live in the cellar. We have done it in the war, so what if this is self inflicted; their wish is greater than an equal wish not to do this to ourselves. Their wish is greater than the knowledge of experts. Just for once, whether it's lawful or not, the want to feel they won and the debris of the fallen building will confirm that, no matter how many bodies lie underneath it.