If there is an election.....

Who are "these people" GG13? The are just like you and me. They just think a little deeper than some appear to do. Your surprise that, although they want this government out they are not stupid enough to walk into Dominic Cummings elephant trap tells us so much.

Why those people who want a no-deal followed by years of getting the poorest deal possible and find joy in bringing us back to war-time conditions, actually see this as progress is a less answerable question.

Whoosh!! WWmk2

You missed my point completely.

I wasn’t saying it’s not a great thing to be intelligent and/or well educated.

I was trying to say that even those who are so can come to different opinions compared to others who are equally clever.

Just as less intelligent people who rely on sound bites don’t all vote/think the same way either.

I thought it was an interesting point!

I thought these were the people trying to block our Prime Minister having an election........couldn't make it up?????

I shan’t be voting for this either. This from a Tory Party member.

I hate liars

Patrick Lohlein

At the #ToryLeadershipHustings in London, I also asked Boris Johnson to rule out any electoral pact with NF and his #BrexitForeverParty because they don't share our values, which he did. I have that on video and plan to hold him to his word.

I shan’t be voting for this

Independent report

Johnson is receiving substantial support from far-right figures, including former Britain 1st’s Jayda Fransen, who praised him for “purging the traitors” in his party and called on others to fall behind him.

Tommy Robinson too.
Johnson must be SO proud

ug what a sheer waste of money there must be in funding universities, and stuff like research. We could save it all and still come to the same conclusion.

Certainly never refer to learned documents, as it is clearly all unnecessary.

What do they know?

ug as someone said so recently

“You need to give your head a wobble”

When you think about, aninteresting thing is that uninformed people who just rely on social media for their political insights can still reach the same conclusions as full-on boffins who know history, economics and politics well.

Brexit is an example of this, where at the top end you have highly educated people divided by their opinions - even though they have access to the same material, just as clueless people vote both ways.

MPs represent the interests of all their constituents, young and old, not just the ones who voted for them. They are not there to take orders from the small minority of voters who voted them in.

Our MPs are not voted on a populist agenda. They are selected because they are supposed to have an understanding of the bigger picture.

I think we would, Lyndiloo. In fact, when Farage thought he was going to lose, he called for a second referendum.

Polls are highly volatile at the moment, but this is the latest.
Conservative/BP and Labour/LD/Green are almost neck and neck (and that's not counting the SNP, Plaid or the DUP). It all depends how the votes are distributed.

It seems to me that the only people who want a second referendum are the losers! Do you imagine that if the 'Remainers' had won, by the same margin, we would be having all this outcry for a 'People's Vote'? I doubt it!

I've sort of lost the plot now - what with all these latest political shenanigans.

What I am sure of is that we are in this hole now because most of our elected MPs are Remainers, and have forgotten that they were elected to carry out the will of their constituents, not their own 'consciences', as they keep banging on about!

PPS. I agree with you that we need a second referendum. :-)

PS. Thank you for the link. Unless Labour is in power, it's unlikely that details will be refined. As the article confirms, it's just ideas at the moment.

growstuff thanks. will have another look.

paddyann We have been lied to on both sides and the people did vote on what they heard/believed. As the country has reached such a strangulation, it's only fair to have a second referendum so NOW people will cast their vote on what they have learned for the last 3 years. The stakes are too high to be ignored or it will be the split of the United Kingdom.

Thank you. If you find it, I'd be very interested (not that it's likely to affect me in any way - unfortunately).

From your quote, it looks like it's still an idea. If you follow Tax Research, you'll know this has been bandied about for years.

It was in the Summer and J McD was talking on Sky News.

The lifetime gift tax
Recently, the shadow chancellor John McDonnell made waves when he told Sky News that Labour was “looking at” a lifetime gift tax (LGT) to replace IHT. We need to have a fairer system of how we can ensure that wealth is more fairly distributed – that’s one idea and we are listening to a whole range of ideas,” McDonnell said.

www.accountingweb.co.uk/tax/hmrc-policy/lifetime-gift-tax-labour-plans-to-scrap-iht

still looking where I found it in the Labour website.

All wealth should be taxed on an estimate income annually at the same rates as income tax. No one should be able to be better off from unearned income than they are from earned income.

I wonder if people who don't have unearned income are aware that income from dividends, which is unearned income, is taxed at 10% whereas income earned by people who go out every day and work for their money is taxed at 20% or more? This seems to me to be grossly unfair and I can see no justification at all for it. Let's not pretend that investing in shares is usually in any way beneficial to anyone but the people buying and selling them. The only time the money invested 'works' for anyone apart from the person investing it is when it is buying shares issued to capitalise a new business or to increase the capital of an existing enterprise.

I don't understand why people who work for their income should defend people whose wealth is increased by investment income which they don't have to make any effort to 'earn'.

Which is maybe drifting from the main point; but it seems to me that at least equalising the tax liability on earned and unearned income is a simple way to increase the tax take and go a way towards reducing inequality.

I'd rather not "just get on with it" if the outcomes are going to be a worse life than we have now, if it's all the same to you Evie. If you find it all so boring, just switch off.

the difference Evie with an election is that its repeated every few years and you can change your mind.Brexit isn't reversable..once we're out we're out.IF we try to get back in it wont be under the extraordinary favourable terms we already have .We need to be sure and doublle sure this is what the WHOLE country wants before we wreck or economy for the next 50 years .I wont be here in 50 years but I wouldn't want my children and GC to live with the results of an ill thought exit from the EU .

I'm very sorry, but I can find plenty of mentions in the media of Labour's plans to tax wealth, but I can't find any original declarations, which I'd like to read before I make up my mind. If you have a link, I'd be very grateful.

I did find a document called "Land for the Many", but that's more about use of land and is very interesting.

labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/12081_19-Land-for-the-Many.pdf

PS. I almost certainly wouldn't vote Labour anyway, but I'm interested.

Oh for goodness sakes, the bloody politicians will do what they want in the end anyway. We don't have say in it apart from a General Election and that's a joke as they NEVER keep to their manifesto. All I know is that I couldn't vote for Tony Blair, but he won, and I accepted that the majority voted for him . Did I ask for another General Election because the vote didn't go the way I wanted it to? No. The fact remains that the majority voted leave, like it or not, that's democracy. Personally I'm sick of all the talk and no action. Just bloody well get on with it! Grrrrr. Sorry, rant finished

Estimated

^Agreed there should be a cap on immense wealth to stop the grotesque greed of some individuals.*

All wealth should be taxed on an estimate income annually at the same rates as income tax. No one should be able to be better off from unearned income than they are from earned income.