Boris has lost the vote!

As far as I am aware the last recession was a world recession caused by the "Bankers"
Labour were the government at the time but no way were they the cause.Perhaps should have been more aware of what might be coming but certainly not responsible as Conservatives like to claim.
If this extremely right wing front bench get elected with Dominic Cummings in the background we will certainly live to regret it.

Does it really make any difference? Glad as I am to see Boris Johnson get a slap in the face, I still do not see any liklihood of anyone finding a way out of the mess they have landed in.

Unless Parliament accepts the deal they have refused three times already, neither a general election nor a new exit date will make the slightest bit of difference.

Economic, not political, border down the Irish sea.

Tarriffs, not tattoos! Silly phone!

The majority of people in NI, including many unionists, want the NI only backstop and the border kept open. My own relatives in the north are unionists but they want this too. While the DUP are the biggest party, only 30 per cent of N I people want an economic border on the island, according to all recent surveys.

Growstuff and Wouldbegran, thank you for your replies.
The originally discussed backstop applied to NI only so there would be no hard border in Ireland, so no trade tattoos, extra costs for farmers, etc. NI would effectively stay in the Customs Union, whilst the rest of the UK would leave it. Goods entering &leaving the island of Ireland (N&S) would be checked at ports only, not at the border, and there would be no tariffs on the island . At the moment there are no checks, as agreed in the Good Friday Agreement between UK and Ireland N&S. If they reverted to that, the checks would be at the ports or, as the DUP say, there would be an economic( not political border). The original was changed so the whole UK including NI would be the same, to get the DUP to support the Cons Party.

Well, said Ellepammar

Was Corbyn scared??

Whatever sort of people is Johnson surrounding himself?

Reports by numerous witnesses that Cummings smelling of alcohol shouted at Corbyn in a public area in the HoC.

This is frightening. We don’t hear much about the EU. I read Germany is about to go into recession and we all know the state of Italian and Greek finances. If we don’t leave we will be propping them up when we have a failing health service, social care in crisis etc: etc:

It seems obvious that the EU will want a deal, but at the moment why would they? I wonder whether there is a personal vested interested in MPs wanting to stay in the EU.
They say we did not know what we were voting for, I voted remain, but now I know more about the EU think we should leave whilst we have the opportunity.

Twice the chancellor was brought to order by Mr Speaker for the poor presentation of his statement.

Cummings will be spitting tacks as he wrote it.

The LP have more than enough on their plate throwing off accusations of antisemitism I would have thought.

What a truly bizarre statement from McDonnell today, answering Javid’s statement on future spending.
Of course, the wind has been taken out of his sails as he hoped the Conservatives wouldn’t pay out to public servants or anyone else, but even so!
Maybe he thought he was addressing a Momentum rally and not the HOC.

PMQs today. Corbyn was outstanding but the star must go to Tanmamjeet Singh Dhesi who asked a question concerning Tory Islamaphobia.

By voting in a racist and liar the Tories have left themselves wide open to this sort of accusation.

But the memes and satires on his behaviour on Twitter were hilarious...they would have pricked the gas out of his self-satisfied bubble.

Mamar2.
I for one am thankful that the likes of this present lot, who ever what ever they represent, around in 1939.Laughing stock would have been the least of our worries.

Good points, growstuff -- it's not just about trade and the economy. It is going to take a very creative solution to satisfy the people of NI, in terms of national identity AND in terms of trade. Is it naive to wish if only the NI Assembly were back up and running that they might come up with the compromise that's needed?

wouldbegran - precisely.

allule many thanks for the info. Will try to get time this afternoon to watch, i find it very interesting and love watching the antics.

Heather51, this is not a farce. This is decision-making in a democracy.

You say Boris is standing up to the EU?????? Boris is not even negotiating with the EU -- and that's according to someone writing in the Telegraph!

Yes, we are deadlocked and it is going to take time to find a solution. But Boris' (or more likely Dominic Cummings') smash and grab approach is -- I hope very much -- going to backfire.

Unfortunately the ballot paper only had two options,

Remain in the EU

Leave the EU

Deal or no deal were not up for voting on!!

Remind me when the country specifically voted for a disastrous no deal, hardest of hard options, Brexit?

To those of you who claim 'we' and 'Britain' voted to leave... You just cannot keep on and on saying that and talking about 'the will of the people' unless you tell us specifically what all you who voted to leave mean by it? There were leavers opposing the government yesterday, and obviously leavers on the side of the government. Which leave do you want, and what makes you think yours is the correct 'leave'. It was never such a simplistic question as the referendum asked. This was never going to be straightforward and to now say 'just get on with it' is, with respect, extremely simplistic. Yes, parliament has had 3 years. It's going to take longer. (I understand that in Switzerland they had several referenda before women were finally given the right to vote.) It may take another one or even two referenda here for us to decide -- and why not. Let the government come up with a proposal and then let us vote on it. And let us have a bit more intelligent discussion about the 'backstop' and what it means (thank you, grannycool -- more discussion please!) -- so many people (including myself) don't completely understand what it is and what it will do and when it will or will not do it.

What a farce the whole situation is!

You’ve got remainers demonstrating and shouting for democracy but blow the democratic rights of the majority who voted to leave.

You’ve got so called ‘people’s representatives’, MPs, shouting that Parliament shouldn’t have been prorogued as it cuts the time for debate by a few weeks when they’ve had more than three years and achieved nothing! Another extension will achieve nothing different, just be three months further down the line and still deadlocked.

As far as I can see Boris, love him or hate him, seems to be the only one willing to stand up to the EU and take forward what the country voted for.

Parliament needs all the self serving, ‘think of themselves first and damn the good of the country’ people clearing out and people who will truly represent what a democratic country votes for put in their place. I am sick and tired of the whole non compromising lot of them!

From what I understand, it's a bit more complicated than that. The people in NI who would lose out most are the farmers living near the border. Many of them have RoI passports and are probably inclined towards Republicanism. We know that there are still rumblings of the Troubles below the surface, so it could inflame tensions. From what I understand, that's the biggest danger.

Alltyryngirl-- Boris is certainly reliable, can't deny that. You can be sure he'll do the opposite of what he said he'd do last week.