Do we understand what a “No Deal” actually means ?

With all that we know, there will still be people who think we are going to be living in a land of milk and honey when we leave, not caring about the effect it will have on people’s jobs, livelihoods etc and certainly not caring about Northern Ireland and the inevitable breakup of the UK. But hey ho we will have left that awful EU so it will all be worth it won’t it.

A no deal Brexit would be just the beginning

Prof Catherine Barnard and Prof Anand Menon explain-

"Even if Mr Johnson succeeds and the UK leaves the EU without a deal on October 31, this will not mark the end of the Brexit process.

Far from it.

Eventually, the two sides will need to start talking again. And at this point we may come to miss the much-maligned Article 50 divorce process. If the UK leaves without a deal, it will, eventually, have to negotiate the nature of its future relationship with the EU.

No major trading nation trades solely on World Trade Organization terms, and it makes little economic sense for the UK to do so with its nearest and largest trading partner. It is when these talks start that we may begin to get a little nostalgic for Article 50. What that benighted text does is create a fast track towards an agreement."

ukandeu.ac.uk/a-no-deal-brexit-would-be-just-the-beginning/

If only this was explained to the readers of the Daily Express, The Sun and Daily Mail, many of whom seem to think that "just get on with it" "leave with no deal" etc would mean the end of brexit and politics could go back to being about the NHS, schools, police etc.

Some people even seem to think that "no deal" means things staying as they are and we remain in the EU.

Every time a huge gap in the public's understanding of this very complex issue is mentioned, there are accusations of "insulting the intelligence of 17.4m people", just another mantra the brexiters parrot to try to cover up the truth.

Realgrandad The explanation lies somewhere in the multitude of information that beseiges us. The rise in the amount of facts available to the general public, encouraging ordinary people to have opinions, has not been backed up by making sure that those non-experts know HOW to form a sensible opinion on a big topic.

There are people closing their eyes to the reports and predictions by experts in all kinds of fields, mostly because there has been a campaign on social and news media to rubbish experts. Many people don't trust experts any more.

Instead, they are bombarded on all sides by persuasive rhetoric which is sometimes partisan , sometimes illogical, sometimes cynically slanted to benefit the spreader of it, and often a mixture of more than one of those things. Many people can''t tell any more what is honest but pessimistic expectation for the future and what is scare-mongering to push public opinion in a desired direction, so the baby gets thrown out with the bathwater.

a rapid increase in the death rate

oh do come on!

Don't forget political issues in Ireland and Gibraltar.

Perhaps a more articulate person can explain ?

so no pressure there then Realgrandad!

Who’d want to follow on from that?

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Thank you,

I have just been reading the RHA report, the Bank of England , the CBI, the TUC and the institute of Government,, The report estimates the UK economy will be between 6.3-9 per cent smaller after around 15 years in the event of a no-deal Brexit.It also states there will be “significant variation” across the UK. It predicts a 10.5 per cent decline in the North East of England, 9.1 per cent in Northern Ireland, 8.1 per cent in Wales and 8 per cent in Scotland.“This analysis does not account for any short-term disruptions, . This is fright for jobs, our economy and life style. Why are we ignoring these reputable official reports, ignorance is a frightening scenario yet the public are being blinded to the facts. That worries me as to why even grand parents are closing their eyes and ears to the truth. Perhaps a more articulate person can explain ?

I took part in the very original referendum called by Wilson on the no side. In that campaign we made it clear that the objective of the EEC was to ultimately unite Europe into one political entity. We were either disbelieved or just ignored and we lost by a majority of 2 to 1.

So I believed that we Brits would join and be enthusiastic members. Instead we had people like Michael Howard and the rest of the right-wing of the Tory party aided and encouraged by that right-wing part of the press owned by either Australian emigrants or products of Public schools and financed by very dubious sources that were and are determined to remove any controls on their activities; all determined to destroy our membership.

Finally the right-wing extremists win the day and thanks to a gullible PM they get a referendum. In the referendum the 40years of press lies about the EU combined with a whole series of lies laid out by Johnson and Grove together with the mantras “we've had enough of experts” and “f**k business, what do they know. ” unbelievably they won.

So we get to today when the s**t is about to hit the fan we face food, medicine shortages fuel shortages, companies failing employment falling a currency in free fall and a rapid increase in the death rate, but don't worry the government have increased the stock of body bags to cope with that last one.

And so friends that's what Johnson, Cummins, Groves, Rees-Mogg etc have, they hope, brought our nation too, all in the name of personal profit. Why worry, after all we plebs are subhuman,according to those illustrious folks, and don't feel as they do.

Realgranddad, I believe you only have to read the below statement from the road haulage Association to understand what a no deal Brexit would mean for Britain.

Richard Burnett the chairman of of the above Association has been making statements on Brexit throughout the last three years. Representing the hauliers that everyday cross the channel with all that Britain requires to survive, he has the knowledge of what an end to the customs union and free trade really means.

Of course, he was one of the business persons that Boris Johnson stated could f*ck off when it came to Brexit.

Richard Burnett another expert that leave supporters wish to ignore.

RHA statement begins here:-
www.rha.uk.net/news/press-releases/2018-07-july/brexit-and-the-uk-haulage-industry-%E2%80%93-no-deal-no-jobs-no-food