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Gina Miller case thrown out bet that's wiped the smile off her smug face.

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Firecracker123 Fri 06-Sept-19 11:46:36

Gina Miller and John Major's case against the PM proroguing Parliament thrown out.

Labaik Sat 07-Sept-19 12:06:24

I've only just seen this thread. The title is absolutely appalling. Why has it been allowed?

Chestnut Sat 07-Sept-19 12:01:19

It's sometimes difficult to know what comment people are referring to as the site doesn't allow you to respond to a comment. It would be helpful if the original comment was inserted into the post.

Nonnie Sat 07-Sept-19 11:44:40

What a nasty thing to say! Nasty to support it too. Is it any wonder some of us have little respect for the opinions of such unpleasant people?

It would be easy to start the same thread in a respectful tone.

jura2 Sat 07-Sept-19 11:35:48

sarahcyn, what is the relevance of your comment ???

Chestnut Sat 07-Sept-19 11:24:40

Where are the thousands of people gathering outside Parliament, Downing Street and all over the UK to protest about delays to Brexit?

I think you'll find the people outside Parliament are a mixed bunch. And anyway, most people usually stay quiet until it's time to vote and then they make their voice heard. They are currently waiting for the result of the referendum to be honoured, and if it is not then all hell will break loose.

sarahcyn Sat 07-Sept-19 11:08:05

On the contrary Dinhamo. I think she’s a very nice looking woman. She is by all accounts clever, personable and well-meaning.
But that doesn’t unfortunately preclude her also behaving in an incredibly entitled way. She’s a very rich, successful woman who was quickly able to amass financial backing from the City from other people who basically believe that because they are rich, then their views are more valid than anyone else’s.

sarahcyn Sat 07-Sept-19 11:04:32

Remind me - who voted for Gina Miller? In what election?

Dinahmo Sat 07-Sept-19 11:00:02

Interesting how the opinions about how Gina Miller looks follow the views on Brexit of the posters.

jura2 Sat 07-Sept-19 10:08:52

She explains it really well- not smug at all, just clear and totally right too:

www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/643033969519944/

Alexa Fri 06-Sept-19 20:12:32

The title surprised me as I always think how personable she looks. She seems to be efficient.

quizqueen Fri 06-Sept-19 20:11:50

She was on the tv being interviewed today, No, she's still smug.

varian Fri 06-Sept-19 19:46:02

The case has been deemed to be strong enough to go directly up to the Supreme Court

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/gina-millers-bid-to-stop-prorogation-heads-to-supreme-court-8kc8mqjkq

growstuff Fri 06-Sept-19 19:05:57

That's because the media has spun it like that. The courts did not take up a political position.

The day that the government is no longer subject to the laws of the land will be a very sad day for the country. The law is an essential part of the UK's unwritten constitution. The government must never be allowed to ride roughshod all over it.

I'm very sorry if people don't understand that - maybe it's time that British Constitution became an essential subject in the school curriculum and those who have left school should somehow play catch up.

Grandad1943 Fri 06-Sept-19 18:37:16

MaizieD, in regard to your post @-18:01 today, my concern is that by having the courts give rulings in this Brexit crisis, it "appears to many" that the judiciary are taking up political positions.

The above is not obviously realistic fact, but how things are perceived is as important in the present political atmosphere in Britain as what is actual truth.

So much that was good in Britain has already been lost in this rediculas Brexit argument that I am hoping that when it all eventually ends we will at least have a judiciary system that the public still has confidence in.

However, I very much appreciate the substance of your post

crystaltipps Fri 06-Sept-19 18:34:26

Gloating is not a good look. Can backfire. Maybe schadenfreude will be in short supply come no deal.

MaizieD Fri 06-Sept-19 18:06:32

Absolutely, jura.

MamaCaz Fri 06-Sept-19 18:06:21

I knew exactly who had started this thread just from the goading title. Enough said!

MaizieD Fri 06-Sept-19 18:05:58

That despair has turned to public anger.

The only public anger I've seen, Day6 is huge protests about the government's abuse of power.

Where are the thousands of people gathering outside Parliament, Downing Street and all over the UK to protest about delays to Brexit?

jura2 Fri 06-Sept-19 18:03:05

Indeed, as Gina Miller says, this is way beyond Brexit- but about how Parliament works- now and in the future.

MaizieD Fri 06-Sept-19 18:03:04

Don't forget, the Miller case, and the one earlier this week, are both going to appeal; where the judges' rulings may well be overturned.

MaizieD Fri 06-Sept-19 18:01:19

I also believe that the British courts should not be in involved in the Brexit arguments.

I'm surprised at you, Grandad. The legal cases are to do with upholding the British Constitution, in which Parliament (the legislature) is sovereign, not the Executive (the Ministers of the Crown). They are not being asked to be involved in the Brexit arguments.

Day6 Fri 06-Sept-19 17:57:04

should be resolved in that Parliament and only taken beyond that forum if standing legislation has clearly been infringed

I agree Granddad. How many times has Gina Miller raced off to court to stop something she dislikes?

However, it appears Remainer MPs can manipulate proceedings. I refer to the Cooper-Letwin bill.

It would seem any PM is almost powerless. Look at the games are going on in parliament to overturn the referendum result. No wonder people have little faith in MPs. That despair has turned to public anger.

growstuff Fri 06-Sept-19 17:51:49

Grandad My understanding is that the courts don't make political decisions. That's why Miller's case was lost.

Nevertheless, any government must uphold constitutional law. If it doesn't, we give free rein for a government to do as it pleases. Miller's case was that the government was breaking constitutional law. Obviously, the judges disagreed.

jura2 Fri 06-Sept-19 17:50:32

Yes, Day6: 'Yes, very rich people just like Gina Miller want to stay in the EU. Makes you wonder, really. '

there are some very rich people who do have principles, do pay honest taxes and do care about others. It is possible - and then there are those who support No Deal because they will be able to continue to hide in Tax Havens and be able to avoid Tax - knowing full well they will not have to suffer the effects of ND.

varian Fri 06-Sept-19 17:42:07

lemon posts "Which article is that copied from Varian?"

Not copied from anything. I am quite capable of composing my own posts, and if I do copy. I give a link or reference.

The fact is that the popularity of EU membership has increased ever since the UK voted in the fraudulent referendum of 2016. Numerous polls have shown that to be true.

It may be true that the average Polish citizen does not wake up every morning worrying about the Irish border, but it is also true that Poland, like all the other EU member countries, has been utterly steadfast in defense of the ROI as a fellow EU member threatened by the foolhardy brexit nonsense being proposed in the UK.

All analyses have shown that in the event of a no deal brexit, the UK would suffer most, followed by Ireland, then the Netherlands and Belgium, then the various other EU countries.

Why should any of us suffer at all because over three yewars ago a number of guillible UK voters were fooled by the lies of the Leave campaigners and the billionaires who were behind them?