Joe Johnson & his Guardian journo wife.

hopefully many more will go - nothing stopping MPs resigning or crossing the floor during prorogation, is there?

Hmmm, I married a strong independent woman, 8 years younger than I.

I would no more demand that she does or thinks something, nor would she behave in such a manner towards me. But our political views are different, she is a staunch Tory while I am a pragmatic very left democratic socialist (some would argue that pragmatism and very left wing do not go together.) I am a fervent Christian whilst she claims to be an atheist. I am dyslexic and she is a logical thinker. We have the same family values and care very deeply for each other.

I believe JJ is moral and has strong political convictions one of which is the importance of the nation, I believe he also has a strong view of the importance of family. Basically I believe that he was in a state of confliction and was right to leave at the time that he did.

I think BJ is one of the most dangerous politicians of our time. He is bright, but lacks common sense, he has a short attention span, he lies incessantly, often convinces himself of the lies he tells, speaks and acts without forethought or planning and worse of all he is amoral, lacking any moral compass. Our country will suffer untold damage in his hands.

What a nasty OP. Is that how your family relations are run Urmston

Oh MOnica. ...

That’s a bit below the belt, surely?

I read something in a newspaper and post a thread. For further discussion.

Why on earth should it be about me or mine?

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urmstongran

'it has got to the stage where I could not live with someone who would currently be a Leaver, and neither would he

jura2 that’s some statement!'

Neither would I. But the chances I wouldn't have married them in the first place. My politics (small p) are feminist, left wing, equal rights, outward/international looking (not inward to some imaginary uk 'golden age' which never existed). My family are multi racial and international. None of which fit with being a leaver, unless like Farage, you're a total hypocrite.

What a nasty OP. Is that how your family relations are run Urmston

Everyone's decisions are made up of a bag of reasons: work, personal etc etc. and affected by a number of influences, but I see no reason why Jo Johnson shouldn't have made his decsion on his own taking into account all the facets that must affect himmwhen making such decisions.

I suppose men always do what their wives tell them eh? Gove and Poison Vine spring to mind.
Sister in laws are friends? How surprising! You’d think they’d never have met!
All those applauding the MPs being sacked from the party for voting against their government- shouldn’t May have done the same when BJ, JRM et al voted against her? Then we wouldn’t be in the current mess. Just in a different one.

Nope. Still can't see any lowness in this thread Jainainsworth. See my post of 11:30:23.

Amelia Gentleman, Johnson's wife, was the journalist who worked the Windrush scandal. I have no idea how much the issue was discussed in the Johnson household, although I expect it was. I expect she told her husband to get Amber Rudd sacked . I don't have a clue what was going through Johnson's mind, but I don't suppose any decisions have been easy ones. He's not only resigned, but is leaving politics altogether, which is a shame because he did always seem to be a decent human being.

Jo Johnson wrote a Financial Times piece critical of his governments migration policy in 2012 which surprised a few people. But I suppose his wife told him to do it. He has always been a bit of a rebel that has stuck to his own ideals.

gonegirl the lowness of this thread is the assumption, in the face of no evidence, in the OP that Jo Johnson’s wife is some sort of harridan who exerts a manipulative influence on her husband.
That, and the assertion that Jo Johnson himself is a hypocrite when what he has done is remained true to his own values.
I’m sure that other posters can give you more examples.

told me not to believe anything written in the Daily Mail

WHAT?

I can't see anything low about this thread. It's about people. We've all got people in our lives, and sometimes they influence us. Why should the Johnsons be any different?

There are some high horses being mounted here IMO.

Jo Johnson sounds like a pretty decent man from what I've read. A remainer of course but also someone who felt he had to follow the democratic process after the referendum. Was offered a higher profile post in Johnsons cabinet but turned it down. Why hasn't anyone made an accusation of nepotism [a la Trump] by the way? He said he'd taken the post in an attempt to avoid the stories of fratricide that bedevilled the Millibands. Yes; he did face pressure from his wife, but wouldn't any wife speak out if they thought their husband had betrayed their core values? But the final straw was the sacking of the 21 rebels. By the way; were there any articles today saying that Amber Rudd resigned because her husband told her to? [I doubt it]. It's a tragic loss for the Conservatives, imo. If Brexit has taught me one thing it's that there are decent, honourable people in most* parties, not just the ones I support, and Jo was up there with the best of them. * I was going to say 'all' but then I remembered [shudder] UKIP and TBP..

Crikey, so much for female solidarity! Gossip, speculation, innuendo, even by some people's standards, this thread is a low.

What a load of bollocks! But it's in the Daily Fail so it must be true
Jo Johnson made a difficult decision and in doing so cast a dark shadow over Boris, which isn't allowed of course.
How to distract from this and return Boris to hero? Blame Jo's Guardian journal wife, who is of course a bitch and a ball breaker, not to mention a family wrecker.
Watch out they'll be back to burning witches next!!
or
Handmaid's Tale anyone?

Some of it's quite believable. If the wife was a close friend of Boris's ex.........

Nothing wrong with gossip and innuendo. Quite like it actually.

Hearsay, gossip and innuendo. Not a fact to be seen.

Sussexborn.
Reminds me of a nurse who told me people would be appalled if they knew some surgeons operate while high on drugs.

If this is true, I think it’s a despicable thing to ask her husband to do. Would anyone seriously threaten their partner with such a thing if they loved their partner?

Does she love him do you think?

What a bloody awful sexist thread ??

An acquaintance who was a sub editor on two national newspapers told me that the journalists sit around smoking pot whilst writing up articles on the dangers of drugs.

My daughter was a journalist on a London newspaper and has always told me not to believe anything written in the Daily Mail. How on earth would they know that an ultimatum was delivered? I rather think whoever wrote that article added 2 and 2 and made 5. It is telling that none of Boris's family are Brexiteers.

Btw I think the reason Tory MP's are resigning is not because we are coming out of Europe, which is inevitable in my opinion, but that we are coming out with no deal and it would appear Boris is not trying to secure a deal.

In the light of Pharmaceutical firms preparing for No Deal Brexit having to sign 'gagging orders' - and the forecast of a really really cold winter- I'd say, and no this is not hysterical but factual- that any partner, male or female, would not want to be associated with the possible, no, likely, consequence :

'Pharmaceutical organisations working with Whitehall to maintain medicine supplies in the event of a no-deal Brexit have signed 26 “gagging orders” that bar them from revealing information to the public.

Figures show that 16 drug companies and 10 trade associations have been asked to sign non-disclosure agreements (NDAs) which prevent them from revealing any information related to contingency plans drawn up with the Department of Health and Social Care.

It means that the government has now asked at least 60 partners working on no-deal preparations across Whitehall to sign such agreements, angering transparency campaigners and MPs.

Theresa May’s government has been accused of controlling the release of information about no-deal preparations to try to force Conservative MPs to back the prime minister’s Brexit agreement through parliament.
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The prime minister has previously condemned the use of NDAs by employers. She told parliament in October that it was clear they were being used “unethically”.

The figures were released on Friday after a parliamentary question from the Labour MP Rushanara Ali.

Stephen Hammond, the health minister, replied, saying: “Since July 2016, the department has signed 16 non-disclosure agreements with private companies and 10 with trade associations related to our medical supply no-deal Brexit contingency planning.”

Ali, MP for Bethnal Green and Bow, said the number of agreements being used to silence firms showed a “shocking disregard” for the public’s right to know about any threats to public health.

“It is utterly unacceptable for the government to use non-disclosure agreements with pharmaceutical businesses and trade associations,” she said. “By effectively ‘gagging’ these organisations, these secretive agreements are preventing essential information from being shared, are undermining transparency and are hampering businesses’ ability to speak out.”

Quizqueen - they joined the Cabinet on the basis that he would work very hard and to his utmost to get a Good Deal with the EU. As it became clear, as Amber Rudd clearly explained, that he was not doing any negotiating at all, and has no intention of doing so - they had/have every right to resign.

The whole bl**dy cabinet should have resigned, quizqueen

However, I'm sure you'll be perfectly acquiescent when someone burgles your house, or scams you out of your cash... Lawbreaking is clearly absolutely OK in your book..