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Whitewavemark2 Wed 11-Sept-19 07:15:37

Given the fact that our democratic ability to ask urgent questions in parliament has been stripped from us, I think notice should at the very least be made of those issues that are popping up and for which the government does not have to answer.

The first

Tom Watson
@tom_watson

Given Cummings' focus on data science in the Vote Leave campaign the sudden urgent need for big data collection is extremely concerning. We need immediate clarity about how citizens' data will be protected and won’t be misused for party political purposes.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 11-Sept-19 18:08:46

Prorogation! Not parliament.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 11-Sept-19 18:05:34

I wonder if parliament could be opened by the MPs? Committee meetings etc. Simply ignore an illegal parliament.

Labaik Wed 11-Sept-19 17:51:59

I only watched it for a minute or so and, seeing some of the replies from his adoring public made my comment and switched it off. I still can't believe it...I've spent the afternoon watching a home swap programme on catchup to have a break from politics. It's part of Cummings 'Boris and the people against nasty parliament' campaign. I'm truly shocked. If it wasn't so frightening it would be funny...

Whitewavemark2 Wed 11-Sept-19 17:38:35

I’m waiting for the first court case to be brought against the government/Johnson for this illegality.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 11-Sept-19 17:37:25

(((Dan Hodges)))
@DPJHodges

No.10’s attitude is increasingly “it doesn’t matter what the law says. It doesn’t matter what the judges say. We can ignore it and it won’t matter because we’ll be vindicated at the ballot box”. Regardless of your view of Brexit, we are getting into very dangerous territory.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 11-Sept-19 17:35:57

MrsAitchBee ? ?⚫️⭐️
@MrsAitchBee
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Replying to
@TheNewEuropean
How bloody dare they not let us see what damage and impact brexit will have on us. Why should we be expected to blindly just sit back and let it happen to us! This government is so morally corrupt that they would still let a no deal damage us

Whitewavemark2 Wed 11-Sept-19 17:34:51

labaik I’m not on Facebook. What there any significant Qs and As?

Whitewavemark2 Wed 11-Sept-19 17:33:36

David Gauke
@DavidGauke

It is neither responsible nor acceptable for 'sources in No 10' to accuse judges of political bias. Criticism of this type from within Government undermines the independence of the judiciary and, therefore, the rule of law.

Labaik Wed 11-Sept-19 17:32:32

I've only just seen his 'question time'; can't believe what I'm seeing. Illegally closes down parliament to do it. What has this country come to...

Whitewavemark2 Wed 11-Sept-19 17:30:32

Good bye Johnson

BC Politics
@BBCPolitics
"If the government had misled the Queen about the reasons for suspending Parliament... it would then be the moment for Mr Johnson to resign"

Ex-Tory MP Dominic Grieve says PM's position may be "untenable", as court rules suspension of Parliament unlawful

Whitewavemark2 Wed 11-Sept-19 17:28:51

Jess Phillips Esq., M.P.
@jessphillips

My name is Jess, my occupation is MP and my town is Birmingham. My question is "why have you failed domestic violence victims by cancelling the bill that would have helped them in order to get yourself out of the trouble of people like me asking you questions."

Whitewavemark2 Wed 11-Sept-19 17:23:23

Suggestion by SNP deputy leader at Westminster, that No 10 have made statements that impugn the judiciary.

If this is true then are they suggesting that the courts can no longer be trusted.

The government is disgusting and dangerous.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 11-Sept-19 17:19:23

What on Earth has that got to do with this act of illegality heartbeat?

Whataboutery won’t wash I’m afraid

Heartbeats Wed 11-Sept-19 17:16:38

Surely if this was a true democracy the UK would have already left the EU?
If I remember correctly the majority vote was to Leave!??

Whitewavemark2 Wed 11-Sept-19 17:14:09

No sworn affidavit by any member of the government, suggesting that they knew they acted unlawfully.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 11-Sept-19 17:13:14

It couldn’t be made more clear that the judges consider that Johnson lied to the Queen.

The role of parliament to scrutinise government. Suspending parliament means government can't be scrutinise and is unlawful.

This is a finding of fact by the appeal court that Johnson has misused prorogation and lied to the Queen.

This is what the Supreme Court must judge on.

lemongrove Wed 11-Sept-19 17:03:20

What really matters is the final say, by the Supreme Court,
And I don’t believe it is any less ‘anything’ than the Scottish Court.
Why should there be a challenge from the Scottish judges
( or that it’s seen as a good thing?)
Their interpretation of the law is one thing, the Judges in the Supreme Court may decide the same way, or not, but that doesn’t mean anything, other than it’s their judgement.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 11-Sept-19 16:56:32

Jenni Russell
@jennirsl
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Terrifying. Scotland's court rules Johnson lied to Queen about real reason to prorogue Parliament. No 10 briefs: BJ may defy law to deliver Brexit. Johnson deliberately undermining faith in institutions that bind us. Easy to erode; tough to rebuild.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 11-Sept-19 16:54:51

Adrian Schiller
@Grumbletwat
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My government commissioned it, my parliament has ordered its release, my taxes paid for it, it concerns my future and that of my family, friends, neighbours and compatriots.

So, I’d really like to read the Operation #Yellowhammer report.

M0nica Wed 11-Sept-19 16:52:14

The independence itself is not less lemongrove , but the psychological independence is less. They are too close to the action. Until 2009 the House of Lords fulfilled the role of supreme court. and the Lords of Appeal automatically were in the House of Lords. 2009 is only 10 years ago.

All the main courts are in London and, for barristers, who until recently provided all our judges, the Inns of Court where they train are in London, as are many barristers.

When power in this country is so often accused of being London centric I can see that the London-based English judiciary, given their reputation for independence would be much more wary about being pulled into national governance disputes. The English judges decided that the case was not justiciable (capable of challenge) in the courts because to seek the prorogation of Parliament is political matter. They then granted a leave to appeal to the Supreme Court, which has yet to rule on the subject.

I think the way it is working out is the best way - that the challenge comes from the Scottish Courts not the English Courts.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 11-Sept-19 16:50:24

Jo Maugham QC
@JolyonMaugham

We believe that the effect of the decision is that Parliament is no longer prorogued.

GillT57 Wed 11-Sept-19 16:49:52

Thank you Whitewave I have gone to the link and turned off my cookies. I am appalled that some people are so desperate for Brexit that they are prepared to throw democracy to the four winds and even more saddened by the members of the electorate who have accepted this. Irrespective of one's stand on Brexit, this surely should be a cause for concern.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 11-Sept-19 16:48:30

Hilary Benn
@hilarybennmp

This is unprecedented. Parliament must now be recalled.

lemongrove Wed 11-Sept-19 16:48:04

Yes, he did say that (Starmer) but nothing will happen until the final judgement takes place.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 11-Sept-19 16:46:25

Andrew Adonis
@Andrew_Adonis

Question for Johnson on his ‘people’s PMQs’: why did you lie to the Queen?